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AIBU to think that the demands in this open letter by 'Trans Rights Now!' are unreasonable and should not be taken seriously?

83 replies

BrightLightFright · 25/04/2025 08:58

Link removed due to it redirecting.

YABU - these demands are perfectly fine.
YANBU - these demands are unreasonable.

Demands from the 'Open Letter to Parliament' below. The whole letter is available at transrightsnow.uk it is probably best to type this into your browser to avoid the redirection.

"Rights and Protections

GRA 2004 must be amended with immediate effect to allow for legal self declaration of gender without the need for a medical diagnosis or reports. This should also include full legal recognition for non-binary, intersex people and under 18s, complete removal of the spousal veto, and deletion of the list of GRC holders.
Removal of all sex or gender based exemptions from the Equality Act 2010 in relation to gender reassignment.
Addition of restrictions to the protected characteristic of ‘Religion and Belief’ to ensure that this avenue can never be used to strip other protected characteristics of rights ever again.
References to sex or gender on marriage applications and certificates should be removed.
References to ‘father’ and ‘mother’ should be replaced with gender neutral terms on birth certificates.
Driving Licences should cease to encode sex or gender in any form.
Passports should offer “X” as a sex or gender marker option for those who want it.
Anti-Trans language and rhetoric should be legally classified as hate speech, including the deliberate misgendering of transgender people. This should also include making it illegal for the UK Press and Media to incite moral panics in order to protect all minority groups from the perpetration of lies, misinformation and disinformation. If this cannot be done as part of regulating hate speech then it should be enacted as a form of press regulation, which is currently highly inadequate.
Hate Groups, such as Sex Matters, LGB Alliance and For Woman Scotland should be labelled by the Government as such and stripped of charity status.
Gender neutral facilities to be required in all public buildings for those who want them.
The rights of binary trans men and trans women and non-binary people to use all ‘single sex spaces’ that align with our experienced sex or gender, or that we feel most comfortable in.
A legal right to gender affirmative healthcare on the NHS established, with a legal duty for treatment to be started within the NHS constitutional limit of 18 weeks. This should include the right for under 18s to transition medically and regardless of how their parents feel.
Cosmetic genital surgery on intersex babies to be banned.
The formation of a new, specific class of MP for minority groups, starting with transgender and non-binary people, to ensure we are no longer excluded from the parliamentary process and decisions that affect our lives.
A legal duty to consult and seek agreement with minority communities before taking actions or making changes that affect them.
Reestablishment of the Governments LGBT Advisory Board, and its existence codified in law.
Establishment of a Government Transgender, Non-Binary & Intersex Advisory Board, and its existence codified in law.
A duty for the British Government to offer asylum to trans and nonbinary people from countries oppressing them, starting with the United States of America.
The right for transgender prisoners to be housed in accordance with their lived, experienced sex or gender, limited only where the offender is known to be violent or a violent sex offender, where the establishment of specific third spaces should be used.
Protection from conversion abuse practices, including the misnamed pseudo-medical ‘Gender Exploratory Therapy’, which is merely a means of delaying or denying access to gender affirming care.
The right to participate in all sports, including at elite level, in line with our lived, experienced sex or gender, using the current International Olympic Committee guidelines as a basis for inclusion.
Banning the nonconsensual cosmetic procedures upon those born with intersex variations (mostly) in infancy, while retaining the right to consensual and medically necessary procedures.

Healthcare

The illegitimate and discriminatory ban on Puberty Blockers reverted immediately.
A full, independent inquiry conducted into the formation and running of the fraudulent Cass Review, and the Cass Review to be disavowed as the fraudulent, political propaganda that it is.
Gender Affirming treatment to be provided on an informed consent basis for those over 18, and those under 18 who are Gillick competent.
A legal duty for GPs to initiate and provide ongoing gender affirming care & treatment to transgender people on an informed consent basis, to replace so called ‘gender clinics’ over the next 2 years.
An immediate extending of surgical provision for all types of gender affirming surgery, and the provision to allow the use of private providers, including overseas providers at cost to the NHS until domestic provision is adequately established.
Extension of available gender affirming treatments available on the NHS, including but not limited to:
Breast augmentation where HRT doesn’t provide sufficient growth.
200 hours of electrolysis
Facial surgery where desired
Any gender non-conforming surgeries
Full compensation paid to any transgender people who have been forced to pay for private treatment due to the failures of the NHS to address the issues faced in accessing gender affirming care.

Public Duties & Bodies

A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the NHS, coupled with the removal of anti-trans policy makers such as Wes Streeting.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, coupled with the removal of anti-trans policy makers such as Kishwer Falkner, Alasdair Henderson and Akua Reindorf.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the civil service and the removal of those involved, including the disbanding of so called Sex Equality and Equity Networks (SEEN).
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Charity Commission, which legitimised the anti-trans hate groups Sex Matter & LGB Alliance.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Ministry of Justice and the Judiciary, and the removal of those involved.
The establishment of an extended Conflict of Interest process for all public and political bodies, including MPs and Ministers, that declares both religious and ‘philosophical belief’.
A full investigation into the abuse of the political appointments process employed by the UK Government to enable the anti-trans politicisation of the establishment over the last 10 years.
A full investigation into the conduct of and systemic incitement of hatred by the UK Press and Media against the trans community."

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 08:59

Your link goes to Rick Astley singing, "Never Gonna Give You Up."

Tricho · 25/04/2025 09:00

Oh goody, a fresh hot new take differing from the hundreds of others on here

RareGoalsVerge · 25/04/2025 09:03

It's a bit mixed up to ask if you are unreasonable to say X is unreasonable, as each voter's brain will need to do a bit of a backflip to work out whether their opinion most aligns with "reasonable" or "unreasonable".

But yes these demands have no basis in sanity or rationality. They are clearly the product if a delusional and unwell mind.

BrightLightFright · 25/04/2025 09:04

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 08:59

Your link goes to Rick Astley singing, "Never Gonna Give You Up."

Apologies for the unintentional rick roll, the link took me to the letter. I have removed it.

The letter is by trans rights now dot uk.

OP posts:
CharlestheBold · 25/04/2025 09:13

Nice to see a well reasoned argument in measured tones, and so practical as well.
We hope you have a nice day out in the sunshine. Cottingley is nice this time of year.

Screamingabdabz · 25/04/2025 09:15

YABU to have given them more publicity. They’re women-hating loons who are best ignored.

Lovelysummerdays · 25/04/2025 09:19

Screamingabdabz · 25/04/2025 09:15

YABU to have given them more publicity. They’re women-hating loons who are best ignored.

I’d agree with this. The law has been clarified so there is no longer any need to debate this issue. Best thing is to focus on ensuring institutions follow through with appropriate guidance.

Weefreetiffany · 25/04/2025 09:28

I would also like the moon on a stick, everyone to kiss my feet, the tax payer to pay for it and the government to change the law to support my supremacy and anyone i dont like or who disagrees to be punished and excommunicated for ever. Its perfectly reasonable as long as you're not a cruel, bigoted bully, youre not a cruel, bigoted bully are you? Well then this shouldn’t be a problem. Hop to it.

SinnerBoy · 25/04/2025 09:35

It's a 50 foot pile of bat guano.

cheezncrackers · 25/04/2025 09:36

I think this screed of nonsense could be quite easily categorised as 'shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted'.

TRAs, the horse has bolted, the ship has sailed, it's over. You're twisting in the wind.

Ablondiebutagoody · 25/04/2025 09:50

Who cares what they say? It's really not worth listening to

BMW6 · 25/04/2025 09:55

Parklife

Sodesperatelysad · 25/04/2025 10:03

The entitlement is mind-boggling. Anybody should just be given any cosmetic surgery they fancy so they can pretend to be the opposite sex?? Actually laughed at the suggestion that the NHS fly them overseas for plastic surgery 😂

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 25/04/2025 10:05

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 08:59

Your link goes to Rick Astley singing, "Never Gonna Give You Up."

Sorry for the laugh emoticon, it's just I didn't realise "Rick Rolling" was still a thing 😁

Shelby2010 · 25/04/2025 10:15

Weefreetiffany · 25/04/2025 09:28

I would also like the moon on a stick, everyone to kiss my feet, the tax payer to pay for it and the government to change the law to support my supremacy and anyone i dont like or who disagrees to be punished and excommunicated for ever. Its perfectly reasonable as long as you're not a cruel, bigoted bully, youre not a cruel, bigoted bully are you? Well then this shouldn’t be a problem. Hop to it.

You sound quite reasonable by comparison 🤣

I think someone has shot themselves in the foot here. It reads like a joke letter made up to take the piss out of TRAs.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/04/2025 10:17

They're not really demands. They're an extended tantrum.

I take them as seriously as I took my children's toddler tantrums. In fact DS1 once had an extended tantrum when he realised he wasn't getting a real tractor for his birthday and that particular desire was in certain respects more rational than some of the things trans activists have demanded over the years.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/04/2025 10:19

Screamingabdabz · 25/04/2025 09:15

YABU to have given them more publicity. They’re women-hating loons who are best ignored.

Aw but it is quite fun to laugh at them tho.

Now that the patina of social acceptability and nervous political pandering has been stripped away, we can see them for that they are: narcissistic, misogynist, entitled straight men who are utterly discombobulated by the hitherto never experienced feeling of being told No.

It's remarkably funny, to me. Much funnier than a lot of what passes for comedy these days. There's already 'trantrum' showreels online and they're brilliant.

Helleofabore · 25/04/2025 10:23

That letter is bonkers.

Not only that, but can we all get electrolysis? I mean are these people just throwing out things as gambits to see what they can get?

It has the vibes of this thing of beauty. Where they demand to operate on each other as well!

edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Swiftie1878 · 25/04/2025 10:47

Lovelysummerdays · 25/04/2025 09:19

I’d agree with this. The law has been clarified so there is no longer any need to debate this issue. Best thing is to focus on ensuring institutions follow through with appropriate guidance.

That’s the thing though. It has been clarified. But laws can also be amended, and that’s what they now want. Hopefully, nerves will hold in the face of the huge amount of noise being made for such a small proportion of the population trying to endanger almost half of the population!

Harpey · 25/04/2025 10:50

They are fucking mental. Is it actually a parody?

Removing parents sex from birth certs, boob jobs and electrolysis for all (men). Investigations into anyone who disagrees. Asylum for US trans refugees!

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 25/04/2025 10:52

This is hilarious! Their delusions are never-ending

Shelby2010 · 25/04/2025 10:58

Helleofabore · 25/04/2025 10:23

That letter is bonkers.

Not only that, but can we all get electrolysis? I mean are these people just throwing out things as gambits to see what they can get?

It has the vibes of this thing of beauty. Where they demand to operate on each other as well!

edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto/amp?__twitter_impression=true

I don’t even understand this part:

We demand that trans people are immediately freed from police, military & government contracts without repercussions. We reject the system of blackmail that corporations and governments engage in, whereby trans people who can work are “rewarded” with slightly less mistreatment in exchange for the exploitation of our labour. We will not allow pinkwashing of the violence of capitalism, imperialism and the state.

On the positive side they also demand an end to climate change….

SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 11:02

You know when you've told a child no and they go from pleading and whining to full on throwing themselves on the floor and having a tantrum..?

BendySpoon · 25/04/2025 11:03

Trans people always think they’re right 😢 Whilst I love the right of gender neutral facilities, a militant trans person would never use them because they ‘are’ their new sex. They’d never take off. It all makes me so angry.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/04/2025 11:10

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 25/04/2025 10:52

This is hilarious! Their delusions are never-ending

If you think this is bad, you may be interested to know that a few years back they were demanding that ALL western literature be retrospectively edited to replace gendered pronouns with they/them.

Shakespeare, Chaucer, Homer, Euripides, Dickens, Brontes, the lot.

Honestly. Not making this up.