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AIBU to think that the demands in this open letter by 'Trans Rights Now!' are unreasonable and should not be taken seriously?

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BrightLightFright · 25/04/2025 08:58

Link removed due to it redirecting.

YABU - these demands are perfectly fine.
YANBU - these demands are unreasonable.

Demands from the 'Open Letter to Parliament' below. The whole letter is available at transrightsnow.uk it is probably best to type this into your browser to avoid the redirection.

"Rights and Protections

GRA 2004 must be amended with immediate effect to allow for legal self declaration of gender without the need for a medical diagnosis or reports. This should also include full legal recognition for non-binary, intersex people and under 18s, complete removal of the spousal veto, and deletion of the list of GRC holders.
Removal of all sex or gender based exemptions from the Equality Act 2010 in relation to gender reassignment.
Addition of restrictions to the protected characteristic of ‘Religion and Belief’ to ensure that this avenue can never be used to strip other protected characteristics of rights ever again.
References to sex or gender on marriage applications and certificates should be removed.
References to ‘father’ and ‘mother’ should be replaced with gender neutral terms on birth certificates.
Driving Licences should cease to encode sex or gender in any form.
Passports should offer “X” as a sex or gender marker option for those who want it.
Anti-Trans language and rhetoric should be legally classified as hate speech, including the deliberate misgendering of transgender people. This should also include making it illegal for the UK Press and Media to incite moral panics in order to protect all minority groups from the perpetration of lies, misinformation and disinformation. If this cannot be done as part of regulating hate speech then it should be enacted as a form of press regulation, which is currently highly inadequate.
Hate Groups, such as Sex Matters, LGB Alliance and For Woman Scotland should be labelled by the Government as such and stripped of charity status.
Gender neutral facilities to be required in all public buildings for those who want them.
The rights of binary trans men and trans women and non-binary people to use all ‘single sex spaces’ that align with our experienced sex or gender, or that we feel most comfortable in.
A legal right to gender affirmative healthcare on the NHS established, with a legal duty for treatment to be started within the NHS constitutional limit of 18 weeks. This should include the right for under 18s to transition medically and regardless of how their parents feel.
Cosmetic genital surgery on intersex babies to be banned.
The formation of a new, specific class of MP for minority groups, starting with transgender and non-binary people, to ensure we are no longer excluded from the parliamentary process and decisions that affect our lives.
A legal duty to consult and seek agreement with minority communities before taking actions or making changes that affect them.
Reestablishment of the Governments LGBT Advisory Board, and its existence codified in law.
Establishment of a Government Transgender, Non-Binary & Intersex Advisory Board, and its existence codified in law.
A duty for the British Government to offer asylum to trans and nonbinary people from countries oppressing them, starting with the United States of America.
The right for transgender prisoners to be housed in accordance with their lived, experienced sex or gender, limited only where the offender is known to be violent or a violent sex offender, where the establishment of specific third spaces should be used.
Protection from conversion abuse practices, including the misnamed pseudo-medical ‘Gender Exploratory Therapy’, which is merely a means of delaying or denying access to gender affirming care.
The right to participate in all sports, including at elite level, in line with our lived, experienced sex or gender, using the current International Olympic Committee guidelines as a basis for inclusion.
Banning the nonconsensual cosmetic procedures upon those born with intersex variations (mostly) in infancy, while retaining the right to consensual and medically necessary procedures.

Healthcare

The illegitimate and discriminatory ban on Puberty Blockers reverted immediately.
A full, independent inquiry conducted into the formation and running of the fraudulent Cass Review, and the Cass Review to be disavowed as the fraudulent, political propaganda that it is.
Gender Affirming treatment to be provided on an informed consent basis for those over 18, and those under 18 who are Gillick competent.
A legal duty for GPs to initiate and provide ongoing gender affirming care & treatment to transgender people on an informed consent basis, to replace so called ‘gender clinics’ over the next 2 years.
An immediate extending of surgical provision for all types of gender affirming surgery, and the provision to allow the use of private providers, including overseas providers at cost to the NHS until domestic provision is adequately established.
Extension of available gender affirming treatments available on the NHS, including but not limited to:
Breast augmentation where HRT doesn’t provide sufficient growth.
200 hours of electrolysis
Facial surgery where desired
Any gender non-conforming surgeries
Full compensation paid to any transgender people who have been forced to pay for private treatment due to the failures of the NHS to address the issues faced in accessing gender affirming care.

Public Duties & Bodies

A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the NHS, coupled with the removal of anti-trans policy makers such as Wes Streeting.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, coupled with the removal of anti-trans policy makers such as Kishwer Falkner, Alasdair Henderson and Akua Reindorf.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the civil service and the removal of those involved, including the disbanding of so called Sex Equality and Equity Networks (SEEN).
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Charity Commission, which legitimised the anti-trans hate groups Sex Matter & LGB Alliance.
A full investigation into the anti-trans politicisation of the Ministry of Justice and the Judiciary, and the removal of those involved.
The establishment of an extended Conflict of Interest process for all public and political bodies, including MPs and Ministers, that declares both religious and ‘philosophical belief’.
A full investigation into the abuse of the political appointments process employed by the UK Government to enable the anti-trans politicisation of the establishment over the last 10 years.
A full investigation into the conduct of and systemic incitement of hatred by the UK Press and Media against the trans community."

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Naunet · 25/04/2025 14:52

Locutus2000 · 25/04/2025 14:26

TRAs, the horse has bolted, the ship has sailed, it's over. You're twisting in the wind.

Everything on the list was seen as achievable in the 2010s when the movement was at it's peak - remember the 'brave and bold' Caitlyn Jenner? The existing community was taken over by colorful lunatics demanding more and more ridiculous stuff and successive governments both sides of the Atalantic embraced it as progress. George Floyd, MeToo and the general 'Be Kind' movement meant it was seen as mean and bigoted to voice concerns about trans issues.

It's been straight downhill in the UK since the SNP tried to pass the Gender Recognition Reform Act. The government realised how daft things had got and blocked it, alerting the wider public to the likes of puberty blockers, surgeries and associated madness. Then came Cass and the puberty blockers went, now the new ruling 'draws a line under the issue' with the government cynically taking advantage of it to switch to the trans-hostile stance demanded by the US for the chance of a trade deal.

Transgender people have always existed - the nature of my career meant that I had a couple of colleagues going through the process of living as the opposite sex before being able to access NHS surgery. They used the disabled loos as it was Trust policy but still suffered horrible bullying. Both the teenage trans patients I cared for after massive trauma from serious suicide attempts were seriously bullied. The one who survived was then ridiculed by the nursing staff.

In the US the administration is working hard on demonising often vulnerable trans teens who are terrified by the current direction of travel. Looks like it will be neurodivergence targeted next as there is so much crossover with ASD.

It's worrying how many people are (wilfully?) misinterpreting the recent ruling as all trans people being deserving of derision, ridicule and bullying, with some posters on MN chomping at the bit for their first chance to misgender someone.

The predatory 'bearded man in a dress' lurking around ladies' loos is not representative of the vast majority of trans people and it's unfair to tar them with the same brush. They have already lost the argument, surely some kindness is needed going forward.

I'll be as kind to these activists as they've been to women.

SaveMeFromHumanity · 25/04/2025 14:56

It's worrying how many people are (wilfully?) misinterpreting the recent ruling as all trans people being deserving of derision, ridicule and bullying, with some posters on MN chomping at the bit for their first chance to misgender someone.

I don't think anyone has said or even suggested that transpeople are deserving of derision, ridicule or bulling. Have they?

And, as for the misgendering, yes, I can imagine it was awful for all the women who had to refer to their male rapist in court as 'she' and 'her penis'.

It's probably going to be quite nice for women to be able to say "he" again and avoid all the confusion.

Nameychangington · 25/04/2025 17:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2025 14:41

Am I to understand that he fled California in 2019 to seek refuge in Britain because he believed his homeland was hostile to non-binary people, somehow managed to obtain legal recognition of his non-binary gender identity in the state of California in 2021, was issued an American passport in 2022 listing his sex as X, then took the UK government to court for failing to allow him to do likewise in the UK, lost in the Court of Appeal, and nevertheless continues to seek refuge in the UK and intends to apply for citizenship?

It's almost as if, despite failing to recognise made up gender identities in law, the UK is not actually a cesspit of transphobia but a safe country for people like Ryan.

Exactly. Poor marginalised Ryan.

Murdoch1949 · 26/04/2025 00:43

Best bit is 200 hours of free electrolysis, and free cosmetic surgery. In the need for equality, I hope this means that we all get our top lips made fuzz free and our crows feet eradicated. The trans activists are such cheeky fuckers, when they're not being violent & abusive fuckers. Organisations, not exclusively public sector orgs., have pandered to them for some unknown reason. The Supreme Court has simply stated what 99% of women have known, that trans women are men and they should not be given access to our single sex spaces spaces. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Sayithowiseeit · 26/04/2025 00:51

That letter is just batshit

Thedogscollar · 26/04/2025 00:57

This letter has some Violet Elizabeth Bott vibes.
I'll thcream and thcream till I'm thick.
It still won't make it happen.
Get over it.

BrightLightFright · 26/04/2025 10:30

Sadly, Ryan et al's demands have gone unheeded in the EHRC's interim guidance.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/interim-update-practical-implications-uk-supreme-court-judgment

Hopefully no redirections with this link!

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Noshowlomo · 26/04/2025 14:01

Hilarious. Typical man, with his demands

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