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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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dijonketchup · 24/04/2025 08:24

I put YABU but I think you know you are both BU and this is not what a healthy relationship looks like. I don’t know how you can be expected to fix it on your own, though.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 08:25

@MossLover , this sounds exhausting.

I can understand why your DH felt embarrassed. I wouldn't want people coming into my home if it were a mess, and yes I'd be concerned about what they might think of me. There's a lot of space between 'sparkling' and 'trashed', and if people are coming, I like to make sure the house looks at least somewhere around the middle.

You're a SAHM who has access to the funds for a dog poop scooper, a housekeeper, a landscaper, etc. How is your house still a mess to the extent that your DH is embarrassed by it? If you and your DH can't maintain your home to an acceptable standard with your current schedules and commitments, then you need to change those schedules and commitments.

Thinking of the dishes as an example of how you're not contributing effectively to keeping things reasonable, if your DH did the bulk of the cooking over Easter, it's not unreasonable for him to hold out hope for someone else doing a small proportion of the dishes when he'd done most of them. If you have a dishwasher, it's not even a big task you were being asked to do, and I'm struggling to see how you've not been able to clean up the rest of the dishes from Easter by the middle of the week.

You may not intend to do it or realise that you're doing it, but you are being emotionally abusive to your husband. You're invalidating his feelings, demanding a lot from him, dismissing his concerns, making ultimatums (eg "I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished."), considering how to emotionally manipulate him to achieve your own objectives (eg "I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong")... This is emotional abuse and if a woman posted here saying this was how her husband treats her, she'd get tons of posts telling her to leave him because of his abuse. I'm sorry that's probably hard to read, but if you don't address this pattern of behaviour, you're the one who might really lose your husband. And with that would come implications for your whole lifestyle.

qotsa · 24/04/2025 08:25

When my husband cooks the weekend meals I tend to ‘KP’. So I tidy up and chat as he’s cooking and then I tidy after we’ve eaten so he can chill. I know how stressful cooking for more than just the immediate family is so it’s a team effort luckily we have a very sociable kitchen so I just potter about doing this whilst chatting. On a side note I seriously never knew there was an actual job role for picking up dog shit either. Surely it’s only about 6/9 shits a day. Just do it once a day 😮 I think you both need to support each other more and work as a team. That’s the only way a busy household can work imo when both adults work too.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 24/04/2025 08:26

If this is real, you are absolutely bonkers.

Walk your dogs! Nobody should have three dogs, if they can’t be arsed to walk them. Nobody should be content to have a garden full of dog shit that then relies on some poor person being paid peanuts to scoop up.

And I really can’t see what your husband is supposed to have done wrong. You’re the one who picked a fight with him.

I don’t for a second believe this is real, but, if it is, you need to take some ownership of your lifestyle and your relationship. Couples counselling isn’t the answer. It sounds like the problem is largely yours imo.

sweetpickle2 · 24/04/2025 08:27

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

Can’t speak for others but I literally have never done this and I wouldn’t stand for my DP calling me anything similar.

BustyLaRoux · 24/04/2025 08:28

I know a couple just like this. The guy knows that if he mentions how he feels about something, the wife will get defensive and tell him why he’s wrong to feel the way he does. Then they will disagree. Then she will get upset/angry. He will say “this is why I can’t talk to you”. She will use terms like gaslighting and say unkind things. He will give up. Etc on repeat.

You say you’re very in tune with feelings. I used to be like you. I could sense when someone was a little upset or irritated with me and I could not bear it. I would have to get it out in the open! Even if they didn’t really want to talk about it.

I realised this was unfair of me. You cannot force someone to talk if they don’t want to. Having a culture of being able to talk openly is the key to a good relationship, not forcing someone to admit their feelings when they don’t want to. Doing that is making it all about you and your need to get it out in the open because YOU feel uncomfortable. Of course it’s fine to ask if everything is OK but also respect that maybe they don’t want to talk about whatever is bothering them there and then. Equally they should not be sulking.

You eventually got what was bothering your DH out of him, against his will, and then you proceeded to get defensive and tell him he was wrong to feel that way. It’s unsurprising he didn’t want to talk about it as he knew what was coming. If someone says “I feel x and y” it’s natural to get defensive and say “well I feel like you do a and b!!!” and try to counteract what they’ve said as you feel it’s unfair. But this is never going to have a good outcome. You need to understand your DH is entitled to feel embarrassed. It’s not about whose fault that is. It’s not about whether you think his feelings are justified. It isn’t about you. You asked him to speak about his feelings and he did. If you want him to continue doing so openly then shutting him down and telling him how wrong he is, is not going to achieve that. Couples counselling will help you get better at these conversations. It’s a skill that needs to be learnt and is really hard when you’re tired and resentful and overstretched.

NEVER do cold shouldering or silent treatment! This is a form of abusive behaviour. Especially in view of the fact you say you’re not even annoyed so would be doing this to teach him a lesson and let him know he needs to take you seriously. This is not OK.

Division of labour, chores, etc is a very common thing to argue about. Usually it boils down to the partner not prioritising what the other thinks they should be prioritising and annoyance that the partner has not intuited what we wanted them to do, even though they’re not a mind reader. To each, it’s obvious what needs to be done, so why aren’t they doing it???! And then we get resentful. But they’re feeling the same! And then little comments and fleeting looks communicate what we/they think but haven’t said…..

Absolutely having a culture of being able to be honest about how each is feeling is the end goal. There will always be things where you’re not aligned and being able to talk about them and find a compromise without anyone getting angry or defensive is the key to a healthy relationship. But it will take work. A lot of work! In the meantime pressing him to say how he feels and then immediately shooting him down in flames as you don’t agree is unhelpful and only affirms what he already knew would happen. Equally leaving a sink full of washing up and expecting you to know he expected you to deal with it is also unhelpful.

This is all down to communication. Right now, you are falling into the trap that so many marriages do. My own included. Hence why I am divorced!

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:31

MonsteraDelicious · 24/04/2025 08:18

Also, you mentioned you asked him about his feelings, he said he was embarrassed about the house, and you have got angry with him for blaming you for the house being messy.

Was he actually blaming you?

Or was he feeling embarrassed and you have taken this as an insult to you?

It's genuinely hard to tell. If he's just expressing a feeling rather than accusing you of something, after you asked him how he was feeling, you're unreasonable to take it personally and tell him off.

But I didn’t get angry right away. I said “Next time can you tell me this before it’s time for the tradesmen to come?” Because I was trying to make sure he didn’t feel that way again. I don’t want him to be embarrassed. But then he launched into “I told you this before; insanity is doing the same thing over and over…” and then the accusation of gaslighting and name calling and the jibe about just cleaning as you go despite the kitchen being a mess as a direct result of his activities … those things angered me.

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LovelySG · 24/04/2025 08:32

Kindly, you both sound like you need to get a bit of a system going for your housework. If he did all the cooking for big numbers over Easter, surely everyone else would pitch in to do the clearing up. How on earth are the dishes still in the sink?

Again, kindly, it’s never the right thing to call people names. You need to check yourself on this.

Thirdly, this housekeeper may save your bacon in terms of getting and keeping your n top of the cleaning but if you’ve got too much ‘stuff’ you’ll always be on the back foot. If this is the case with your household and you are tIme-started, hire a declutterer/ organiser and make a project of it. Get the kids and your husband on board. Watch ‘Sort Your Life Out’ with Stacey Solomon for inspiration.

perfectlyimperfectt · 24/04/2025 08:34

Im sorry, you both sound like complete and utter nightmares to be honest with you.

also - dog pooper scooper person 😂😂😂😂 how the other half live.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:38

Being a grotbag is bad enough, but add in emotional abuse and it's really not a good look.

Sugargliderwombat · 24/04/2025 08:38

Sounds a lot like you like to talk about your feelings but don't like him talking about his.

NippyNinjaCrab · 24/04/2025 08:39

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Same, i want a pooper scooper person

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:40

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:20

Ooh I hadn’t spotted that sentence. Wow. That’s really manipulative and yea, abusive op

How is it my fault that he doesn’t take it seriously unless he feels that way?

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Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:41

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:40

How is it my fault that he doesn’t take it seriously unless he feels that way?

Sounds as if you think nothing is ever your fault? 🤷‍♀️

Arseynal · 24/04/2025 08:41

So many problems. You are a horrible communicator. Your house and garden and driveway are too big and unwieldy for you to manage. You don’t like your husband. You have too many dogs - zero dogs would be a better number for you. You won’t wash dishes that have been around for 4 days. You pick fights. You have decided that you have extra special senses to pick up on peoples moods and will harass them over it. Tbh I would tackle the communication first as it’s your biggest problem and some of your other issues will be resolved by employing people to do them. Don’t go around accusing people of having private feelings that you can pick up on and then berate them for it. Think if it like being able to see the pattern on someone’s bra through their top - you can see it, everyone else can see it, but you don’t demand their attention and say “I can see your bra” unless they say “is this top ok?” Or “can you see my bra through this”. Telling him to tell you the house is messy next time is a ridiculous way of putting the blame in him. Use your own eyes to see that the house is messy instead of blaming him for not telling you - he is already out at work until 8pm and now he has another job of telling you the house is messy so you can tear into him about the driveway or dog shit when you haven’t washed a dish in 4 days. The kitchen was a mess because he cooked 4 meals for 6 people and none of you fuckers thought to wash a plate afterwards - not because he didn’t clean as he goes.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:42

Your child is growing up in a toxic, chaotic household; it's really sad. How are you role modelling good adult behaviour to her?

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:43

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:40

How is it my fault that he doesn’t take it seriously unless he feels that way?

Wow. Ok you are genuinely abusive and manipulative here. Your partner needs to consider leaving

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:44

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:41

Sounds as if you think nothing is ever your fault? 🤷‍♀️

I just want to get this straight

if I discover that

unless he feels like he might lose me

he doesn’t seek to make an actual resolution instead of waiting a short period until I forget to be mad and then pretending like we didn’t just have a major fight…

that’s my fault that he’s like that?

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Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:44

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:44

I just want to get this straight

if I discover that

unless he feels like he might lose me

he doesn’t seek to make an actual resolution instead of waiting a short period until I forget to be mad and then pretending like we didn’t just have a major fight…

that’s my fault that he’s like that?

Yes. Yes, it is. You are abusive.

AlisounOfBath · 24/04/2025 08:45

From your overwhelmingly aggressive replies to anyone who gently suggests you might be partially responsible for the miscommunications in your relationship, you sound exactly like @ZoggyStirdust says. You said you namecalled in your post, but now you’re denying it and then saying that it was because he made you angry (I think that’s called gaslighting, which you can’t even see you’re doing). Whatever the rights and wrongs of who cleans up what, you sound like you fall back on abusive behaviour that you experienced as a child. You can’t even see it.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 08:46

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:40

How is it my fault that he doesn’t take it seriously unless he feels that way?

This is justification of abuse.

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:46

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:44

I just want to get this straight

if I discover that

unless he feels like he might lose me

he doesn’t seek to make an actual resolution instead of waiting a short period until I forget to be mad and then pretending like we didn’t just have a major fight…

that’s my fault that he’s like that?

He won’t do what you want him to unless you make him feel like you’re in danger of breaking up with him, so that’s what you do

and you don’t think that’s abusive?

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:47

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:44

Yes. Yes, it is. You are abusive.

Bro, what?

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Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:47

When you abuse your husband, you automatically also abuse your child; the two are inextricably linked, which is why the law now recognises children as victims in their own right. You probably think your daughter is too young to notice, but you are wrong.

AlisounOfBath · 24/04/2025 08:47

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:31

But I didn’t get angry right away. I said “Next time can you tell me this before it’s time for the tradesmen to come?” Because I was trying to make sure he didn’t feel that way again. I don’t want him to be embarrassed. But then he launched into “I told you this before; insanity is doing the same thing over and over…” and then the accusation of gaslighting and name calling and the jibe about just cleaning as you go despite the kitchen being a mess as a direct result of his activities … those things angered me.

“Look what you made me do”.

You need a lot of therapy.

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