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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 28/04/2025 21:24

Is he embarrassed about the cleaning, or the unusual decor? Personally I like it, but I get that it isn’t everyone’s taste.

MossLover · 28/04/2025 21:32

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 28/04/2025 19:42

Sorry but I find the moss extremely strange. And you really keep your dining table styled like that? I think you've got your priorities really topsy turvy, and I say that as somebody who absolutely hates housework!

To each her own, but the moss pleases me immensely and I intend to add more as soon as I can get around to fashioning the planters. Usually that costs me a few hours of sleep, doing the crafting late at night after DD is asleep. I can't do it very often, as I don't function well when sleep deprived.

Usually when we eat at the dining room table, the fern placemats get put aware and we use stone plates. I like the look of the white and green ones, but they're really too delicate to eat off of. But yes, I leave it set like that for the aesthetic. I like to imagine that it looks as f the royal family in the castle were going to have dinner as usual when they suddenly had to leave, and never returned, allowing nature to reclaim it.

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 28/04/2025 21:35

That’s all fair enough but it takes a lot of maintenance. You’d be an ace theatre set designer!

Pay the cleaner
Pay for lots of other help
Get rid of - some - pets
and everything will be fine

Try also having a chat with DH to make sure he is definitely on board with the decor choices.

And just do the bloody dishes every day - unless you pay a daily house keeper who literally clears up after meals that will still need done

MossLover · 28/04/2025 21:39

OfNoOne · 28/04/2025 21:03

Definitely too Cordyceps for me, but if you guys are into it, that's all that really matters... Looks pretty clean apart from the plants everywhere - is this post- a big clean, or is this what your DH said was embarrassing?

He said he was embarrassed of the state of "the house," but really the only messy room was the kitchen (and it took me like 15 minutes total to clean everything but the dishes up, really...The dishes took an hour and a half, which is atrocious, I know) I tidy as I move about the house constantly, and get to actually cleaning a few rooms a day, but like I said, he gets very focused on what's not done instead of what is.

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nomas · 28/04/2025 21:45

OfNoOne · 28/04/2025 21:03

Definitely too Cordyceps for me, but if you guys are into it, that's all that really matters... Looks pretty clean apart from the plants everywhere - is this post- a big clean, or is this what your DH said was embarrassing?

Cordyceps 😆

The Last of Us fan?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/04/2025 06:35

Your home is beautiful. I thought that you were pulling my leg.
Really beautiful.
Screw the pots and pans, too much fun to be had planting and decorating.

BustyLaRoux · 29/04/2025 07:35

Is it possible your DH doesn’t like the decor and this is what he was referring to by “the state of the house”? It’s very individual. Looks hard to keep clean. Perhaps it’s not to his taste.

And yes, as you say, if it took you an hour and a half to clean the kitchen then it must have been absolutely awful! I can see why he might be embarrassed. Perhaps more time cleaning and less time arranging moss and glowing mushrooms??

MossLover · 29/04/2025 16:33

BustyLaRoux · 29/04/2025 07:35

Is it possible your DH doesn’t like the decor and this is what he was referring to by “the state of the house”? It’s very individual. Looks hard to keep clean. Perhaps it’s not to his taste.

And yes, as you say, if it took you an hour and a half to clean the kitchen then it must have been absolutely awful! I can see why he might be embarrassed. Perhaps more time cleaning and less time arranging moss and glowing mushrooms??

I've just been doing bits and pieces of the decorating here and there over the past several months. As I mentioned, I'll explain a concept for each room to DH and all the things I want to do in in, and he just goes wide eyed and says, "I can't picture any of that, and I think you're batshit, but I like what you've done so far and I trust you." He definitely prefers it to looking like "a college dormroom," as he's complained about our first home in the past.

@EmeraldShamrock000 Thank you!

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RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 29/04/2025 17:22

It’s all very pretty, but it looks like a total dust trap.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 29/04/2025 18:05

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 29/04/2025 17:22

It’s all very pretty, but it looks like a total dust trap.

This is going to be your issue - in my experience paid cleaners don’t do a very thorough job so you’ll have to keep on top of that yourself. They also tend not to do normal dishes unless it’s a daily role.

MossLover · 29/04/2025 22:34

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 29/04/2025 18:05

This is going to be your issue - in my experience paid cleaners don’t do a very thorough job so you’ll have to keep on top of that yourself. They also tend not to do normal dishes unless it’s a daily role.

Yeah, I never had one do dishes or laundry. Though when I was worse at keeping the sink clear, the housekeeper's impending arrival helped give me a kick in the pants to get them done

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 29/04/2025 22:36

‘tis sometimes helpful!

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/04/2025 22:45

You've a lot on, it is not easy renovating while looking after everything else.
Just insist that any cleaner you hire prioritises dusting, job done.
Buy more dishes so you can rinse and hide dirty plates, most cleaners are happy to follow your list, if it's an extra 30 minutes at the sink, it is money well spent.

QuaintShaker · 30/04/2025 02:12

I'm another that really likes the decour - wouldnt choose it for my own home but I do think its enchanting.

GlutesthatSalute · 30/04/2025 05:33

All the armed forces people I know are obnoxious about tidiness.

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