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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:47

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:47

Bro, what?

Yes, bro. Exactly that.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 08:47

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:44

I just want to get this straight

if I discover that

unless he feels like he might lose me

he doesn’t seek to make an actual resolution instead of waiting a short period until I forget to be mad and then pretending like we didn’t just have a major fight…

that’s my fault that he’s like that?

It's your fault that you're being emotionally abusive of him and it's further abuse to put the 'blame' on the victim of your abuse.

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 08:49

It's actually really sad that you can't see what you're doing. But that doesn't mean he has to live with it. Really hope he realises that.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:50

Let me flip the roles and see if that changes your minds… you’re telling me,

if I never actually wanted to fix things with my husband

UNLESS I thought I was at risk of losing him

its HIS fault that I’m like that?

and somehow I’m the one “victim blaming” here?

it’s not “Hey, maybe you should actually give a shit about your partner’s feelings and come up with a plan for how to improve your relationship together,” it’s “If you aren’t bouncing off the walls with excitement and talking a mile a minute when he comes home from work because you’re pissed at him, and you know he won’t work on that solution with you otherwise, you’re ABUSIVE!!!”

OP posts:
AlisounOfBath · 24/04/2025 08:50

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:47

Bro, what?

Are you 12? What did you come on here for - for us to all pile in and tell you you’re great and your husband is the arsehole? No. You are the arsehole here. Sorry you don’t like it but you issue threats, namecall, and DARVO all over the shop. The problem is your behaviour. Get help.

gannett · 24/04/2025 08:50

I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones

This self-description put me on high alert and the rest of the very long post confirmed my instincts. I would run very very far away from that.

What you actually mean is that you make other people's emotions all about you, and you force them to deal with their emotions in your way rather than theirs.

DP and I know when each other is in a mood (this isn't a special gift, it's what happens when you live with someone for a decade). We also know that what we both need is to be left alone to simmer or seethe or get over ourselves - the mood is just a mood, it's usually not because of anything the other person has done. We'll sometimes ask what's wrong, but the point of that is to let each other know they can open up and talk if they need. When you asked your husband what was wrong it was accusatory and almost seemed designed to create a conflict.

The rest of the post got worse and worse: the manipulation, the name-calling, the tit-for-tat. And frankly the way you've communicated with other posters in this thread has only underlined it.

Heronwatcher · 24/04/2025 08:52

Use your own eyes to see that the house is messy instead of blaming him for not telling you - he is already out at work until 8pm and now he has another job of telling you the house is messy

Yes I thought this too. You got back before Easter and the cooking was done at the weekend- which is at least 3 days ago. If the dishes have been there since then you’re lucky you’ve not all come down with food poisoning! Wasn’t it pissing you off every time you went into the kitchen? And haven’t you been off work since then at least for a few days?

I’m not saying you should have done it all, just that by now I think in most houses it would have been dealt with- one of us would have said “babe if you do the dishes, I’ll put the kids to bed” or something like that. Not just everyone passively aggressively sniping at each other with (I assume) the kitchen still in the same state.

gannett · 24/04/2025 08:52

Also having just been on the "marrying a man for money" thread... I suppose this thread is proof that you can have all the money in the world to hire a dog poop scooper (!!!!!!!) but the marriage can still be an emotional shitshow.

Tiswa · 24/04/2025 08:52

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:50

Let me flip the roles and see if that changes your minds… you’re telling me,

if I never actually wanted to fix things with my husband

UNLESS I thought I was at risk of losing him

its HIS fault that I’m like that?

and somehow I’m the one “victim blaming” here?

it’s not “Hey, maybe you should actually give a shit about your partner’s feelings and come up with a plan for how to improve your relationship together,” it’s “If you aren’t bouncing off the walls with excitement and talking a mile a minute when he comes home from work because you’re pissed at him, and you know he won’t work on that solution with you otherwise, you’re ABUSIVE!!!”

Edited

If fixing is accepting only you behaved badly and meant changing your behaviour to suit their needs at the expense of your own whilst they held no fault yes

fixing means a team effort and both taking responsibility

Codlingmoths · 24/04/2025 08:53

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:46

He won’t do what you want him to unless you make him feel like you’re in danger of breaking up with him, so that’s what you do

and you don’t think that’s abusive?

Edited

this is obviously situation dependent? If he drinks a litre of whisky a night and won’t cut back unless she looks like leaving, it’s not abuse. Id he sees his friends once a month for a couple of hours and she wants him to stop, it is abuse. You really need to consider what she’s asking and what he’s doing before you can say anything about abuse here.

hididdlyho · 24/04/2025 08:53

Yes, couples counselling should hopefully help improve communication on both sides.

I would also sit down with your DH and come up with a list of basic jobs which you both agree should be done before you go to bed. Then figure out a fair way to split the tasks. If you have young children who need putting to bed, alternate days so the one who isn't sorting the kids does the dishes, puts the bins out etc.

Name calling isn't ok, but neither is your DH expectation that you will maintain the house and garden to his high standards without him making a fair contribution.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 08:54

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:50

Let me flip the roles and see if that changes your minds… you’re telling me,

if I never actually wanted to fix things with my husband

UNLESS I thought I was at risk of losing him

its HIS fault that I’m like that?

and somehow I’m the one “victim blaming” here?

it’s not “Hey, maybe you should actually give a shit about your partner’s feelings and come up with a plan for how to improve your relationship together,” it’s “If you aren’t bouncing off the walls with excitement and talking a mile a minute when he comes home from work because you’re pissed at him, and you know he won’t work on that solution with you otherwise, you’re ABUSIVE!!!”

Edited

The sexes of the people involved aren't what's making your actions abusive.

AlisounOfBath · 24/04/2025 08:54

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

Once in 20 years when I actually genuinely thought he’d died and was dialling 999. Never otherwise. It’s bizarre to communicate like that with someone you claim to love.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:55

Also, with your anger and aggression I'm not sure the army reserves are the place for you. The armed forces are a magnet for bullies and I hope you don't have power over anyone there.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:56

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:50

Let me flip the roles and see if that changes your minds… you’re telling me,

if I never actually wanted to fix things with my husband

UNLESS I thought I was at risk of losing him

its HIS fault that I’m like that?

and somehow I’m the one “victim blaming” here?

it’s not “Hey, maybe you should actually give a shit about your partner’s feelings and come up with a plan for how to improve your relationship together,” it’s “If you aren’t bouncing off the walls with excitement and talking a mile a minute when he comes home from work because you’re pissed at him, and you know he won’t work on that solution with you otherwise, you’re ABUSIVE!!!”

Edited

You are actually quite scary 😨

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 24/04/2025 08:56

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:47

Bro, what?

Bro?!!!!!

Who the hell speaks like that? Are you a 12 year old boy?

I call bollocks on this whole thread.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 08:57

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:55

Also, with your anger and aggression I'm not sure the army reserves are the place for you. The armed forces are a magnet for bullies and I hope you don't have power over anyone there.

A very good point.

Zonder · 24/04/2025 08:58

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:29

I don’t think asking somebody “What’s wrong?” when their mood practically bonks you over the head from across the room is that leading of a question, is it?

Like I know, in retrospect, that he wasn’t ready to discuss it, but it’s not like I said “Why are you angry/upset with me?” (Even though I was right)

You're missing my point.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 24/04/2025 08:58

What a mess. Communication is angry and defensive from the two adults here.
I'd personally be mortified leaving that mess if I was expecting company.
He seems frightened and under pressure to express an opinion, he shuts down, you're aggressive in your defence.

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:59

Codlingmoths · 24/04/2025 08:53

this is obviously situation dependent? If he drinks a litre of whisky a night and won’t cut back unless she looks like leaving, it’s not abuse. Id he sees his friends once a month for a couple of hours and she wants him to stop, it is abuse. You really need to consider what she’s asking and what he’s doing before you can say anything about abuse here.

You’re right but in your example you’d spell out to the drinker the consequences of their continuation.

what op is doing is falling out with her partner and continuing that silent treatment for a few days in order to scare him into line. That is abusive, no matter what it is she wants him to do

AlisounOfBath · 24/04/2025 09:02

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:50

Let me flip the roles and see if that changes your minds… you’re telling me,

if I never actually wanted to fix things with my husband

UNLESS I thought I was at risk of losing him

its HIS fault that I’m like that?

and somehow I’m the one “victim blaming” here?

it’s not “Hey, maybe you should actually give a shit about your partner’s feelings and come up with a plan for how to improve your relationship together,” it’s “If you aren’t bouncing off the walls with excitement and talking a mile a minute when he comes home from work because you’re pissed at him, and you know he won’t work on that solution with you otherwise, you’re ABUSIVE!!!”

Edited

You are deliberately misrepresenting what people are saying to you because you’re so far up your own arse you can see daylight. If you argue with this level of sarcasm, aggression, obtuseness, and bad faith in real life, it’s amazing he hasn’t left you yet.

Createausernameplease · 24/04/2025 09:03

OP - AIBU

Mumsnet - yes, and possibly slightly abusive without maybe realising it

OP - you’re all wrong

maybe take a step back and look, if this was roles reversed people would be telling you to leave the bastard.

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 09:04

TeenLifeMum · 24/04/2025 06:33

“good for you hun” because I manage to pick up my dogs’ poop? Yeah, you’d wind me up too if you use the same patronising tone with dh. I thought maybe you’d missed something from your op that would clarify why you are so busy you can’t do basic household tasks, but no… very odd.

"I work full time, 3dc, 2 dogs, 2 rabbits, just completed a pgdip level 7 at uni alongside work"

Tbf to OP (who has much to learn) this bit of your post was really sanctimonious. I don't think it was just the poop scooping element.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:05

Another factor to consider in this, OP. If your house is a total state, your dogs aren't cared for properly, etc (and no, a yard and a dog poo cleaner don't constitute proper care), there's a non-zero chance of a social work referral in the future when people realise a child is living in that environment. There's also a realistic chance that when/if your DH leaves and wants to make child access arrangements, social work could be involved.

Social workers take a very dim view of emotional abuse. They recognise that it harms children exposed to it. They recognise that there's also a risk that emotional abuse towards a partner today can easily turn into abuse towards a child tomorrow. They then act to protect children from abusive adults. If you want to avoid this, you need to take action now to change your behaviour.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:06

I think your husband is scared of you, and if that's the case then your child will end up scared of you too. I wonder who else you scare in real life. I think on the inside you're probably scared too, hence the bluster and aggression 😢.

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