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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:07

Unsureabouteverything · 24/04/2025 07:59

You're right that it's not your fault that your parent was verbally abusive. It's also not your DH's fault and it should not be his burden to bear.

You admit to using the silent treatment. That is abusive. It seems you are repeating patterns from your childhood.

I think 1-2-1 counselling for you alongside couples counselling would be useful.

Okay, I’m just gonna say it. There’s nothing ‘abusive’ about not being perfectly jovial or doting or chatty towards your spouse when you’re upset with them. Not saying that it should be tit for tat, but nobody’s saying he was being ‘abusive’ for walking into the room with that same energy. That’s what I would be responding with if he hadn’t engaged me in a serious discussion when we came home, because I wasn’t trying to brush it under the rug again only for it to re-emerge later.

OP posts:
MonsteraDelicious · 24/04/2025 08:09

You've hired a housekeeper and a landscaper so these issues are pretty temporary.

I don't think it's unusual to feel anxious about people seeing your home when you feel it's a state. But, equally, you're both responsible for not putting yourselves in that position. You've already dealt with it by employing a housekeeper. So can you just agree to give each other grace and accept that you'll both do your best until then, but it's not perfect and the fix is not far off?

ChristmasFluff · 24/04/2025 08:10

You each are unable to accept the other as they are, and are trying to change eachother to make yourselves feel better. This won't work.

People very rarely change, and I think you will both be happier getting a divorce - unless couple counselling can work. But you are so convinced you are right that it is unlikely to. Additionally, deliberately giving him the cold shoulder (the silent treatment/stonewalling) is abusive, and counselling is not advised where there is abuse.

So I'd save your money and get divorced. Get counselling yourself for why you think your behaviour is ok.

sweetpickle2 · 24/04/2025 08:11

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:07

Okay, I’m just gonna say it. There’s nothing ‘abusive’ about not being perfectly jovial or doting or chatty towards your spouse when you’re upset with them. Not saying that it should be tit for tat, but nobody’s saying he was being ‘abusive’ for walking into the room with that same energy. That’s what I would be responding with if he hadn’t engaged me in a serious discussion when we came home, because I wasn’t trying to brush it under the rug again only for it to re-emerge later.

The difference is, he was in a bad mood (it happens) and you forced him to talk about it- then gave him the silent treatment because you didn’t like what he’d said.

The silent treatment is not the same as “not being perfectly jovial”- it’s an abusive communication tactic.

You both have a dysfunctional way of communicating, and could benefit from therapy separately and together. However you don’t seem to want to accept this and just posted to be agreed with.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:12

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:04

Our?

Yes. I make money too.

also we are married, so, joint assets

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whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 08:13

I hope he has friends who he speaks to. Maybe they can convince him that he doesn't have to live like this.

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:13

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:12

Yes. I make money too.

also we are married, so, joint assets

Fine sorry that was a cheap dig. I was matching your snippy energy but I shouldn’t have done

Member984815 · 24/04/2025 08:14

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:26

I don't think he's doing it on purpose or to be manipulative; he gets like that for other reasons that have nothing to do with me (which always makes me anxious because I assume it's something I did). I think that's just how he feels... But I wish he would try to consider things from my perspective sometimes, and maybe rationalize himself out of those emotions, you know?

@Jennifershuffles @Screamingabdabz @Wardrobehanger Yes, we hired a dog poop scooper. We have three dogs who have access to a large fenced in yard via a dog door; it's difficult to keep up with it because I can't just scoop it as they go (I'd be out there all day long) and I have a hard enough time keeping up with the regular home maintenance + childcare.

I'd love to have someone come do this. I only have one dog but she poops so much , my kids are older so they take turns helping with it . On the husband, I think it's more you are hyper aware of other people's moods , it's not a super power it's a survival mechanism, have you tried counselling on your own to un pick why you are like this. I think it's a communication issue between you. You can't know he wants something done if he doesn't tell you .

MrsMitford3 · 24/04/2025 08:17

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Neither did I!!

Do they just come in your garden and pick up poo?
Not judging-just fascinated.

Do you have a huge garden/huge dogs?

*I could never do this job as other dogs poo makes me retch 💩

Edited to say I missed up thread where you answered most of above!

Neemie · 24/04/2025 08:17

Keep your future housekeeper happy and well paid, and a lot of your problems will go away.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:18

sweetpickle2 · 24/04/2025 08:11

The difference is, he was in a bad mood (it happens) and you forced him to talk about it- then gave him the silent treatment because you didn’t like what he’d said.

The silent treatment is not the same as “not being perfectly jovial”- it’s an abusive communication tactic.

You both have a dysfunctional way of communicating, and could benefit from therapy separately and together. However you don’t seem to want to accept this and just posted to be agreed with.

Okay, so I’m failing to see how him not being jovial/doting/chatty because he’s upset with me is any different from me hypothetically not being jovial/doting/chatty because I’m upset with him (for not taking our conversation seriously and not seeking a resolution. Again, I didn’t get mad at his feeling {“I’m embarrassed of the house in front of the tradesmen”}, I got mad because he started accusing me of being angry and gaslighting and name calling when I wasn’t.)

either you call both of us abusive or neither, if you want to be consistent

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Funnywonder · 24/04/2025 08:18

I see you apologised for the name calling. Is that just for the names you called him during this particular altercation, or something more general where you commit to stopping it altogether? Name calling is awful. So dismissive, reductive and abusive. And just takes things way too far. Honestly, you’ve really got to nip that in the bud.

MonsteraDelicious · 24/04/2025 08:18

Also, you mentioned you asked him about his feelings, he said he was embarrassed about the house, and you have got angry with him for blaming you for the house being messy.

Was he actually blaming you?

Or was he feeling embarrassed and you have taken this as an insult to you?

It's genuinely hard to tell. If he's just expressing a feeling rather than accusing you of something, after you asked him how he was feeling, you're unreasonable to take it personally and tell him off.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 24/04/2025 08:18

Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong

This is not healthy OP. Sorry, but you sound like hard work.

Majority has said YABU yet you're still arguing.
No self reflection at all as you're more concerned about being right.

Counselling is the way forward, otherwise you'll lose him.

Lilactimes · 24/04/2025 08:19

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:07

Okay, I’m just gonna say it. There’s nothing ‘abusive’ about not being perfectly jovial or doting or chatty towards your spouse when you’re upset with them. Not saying that it should be tit for tat, but nobody’s saying he was being ‘abusive’ for walking into the room with that same energy. That’s what I would be responding with if he hadn’t engaged me in a serious discussion when we came home, because I wasn’t trying to brush it under the rug again only for it to re-emerge later.

@MossLover it sounds like you the potential for a wonderful life with lots of space; help soon to come in your home and garden; the option to work and make a career as you’re able to do a training course; surrounded by pets, woods and a creek!
You've asked for opinions and you’re getting them. If you can, try to listen to them.
Try and feel some gratitude for the good in your life through meditating. Work on yourself to try and feel calmer and more ordered. I would book in to a therapist.
Look at organisational apps IF prioritising tasks is not your forte.
You may find that once you start to appreciate some of the plus points of your life and feel calmer and more organised, things improve in your relationship and a next step could be learning how to communicate better with eachother through couples counselling.

all the best x

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:20

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 24/04/2025 08:18

Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong

This is not healthy OP. Sorry, but you sound like hard work.

Majority has said YABU yet you're still arguing.
No self reflection at all as you're more concerned about being right.

Counselling is the way forward, otherwise you'll lose him.

Ooh I hadn’t spotted that sentence. Wow. That’s really manipulative and yea, abusive op

sweetpickle2 · 24/04/2025 08:20

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:18

Okay, so I’m failing to see how him not being jovial/doting/chatty because he’s upset with me is any different from me hypothetically not being jovial/doting/chatty because I’m upset with him (for not taking our conversation seriously and not seeking a resolution. Again, I didn’t get mad at his feeling {“I’m embarrassed of the house in front of the tradesmen”}, I got mad because he started accusing me of being angry and gaslighting and name calling when I wasn’t.)

either you call both of us abusive or neither, if you want to be consistent

I don’t particularly want to be consistent. Life and relationships aren’t tit for tat- but you seem hell bent on making sure they are, so good luck to you.

Tiswa · 24/04/2025 08:20

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:07

Okay, I’m just gonna say it. There’s nothing ‘abusive’ about not being perfectly jovial or doting or chatty towards your spouse when you’re upset with them. Not saying that it should be tit for tat, but nobody’s saying he was being ‘abusive’ for walking into the room with that same energy. That’s what I would be responding with if he hadn’t engaged me in a serious discussion when we came home, because I wasn’t trying to brush it under the rug again only for it to re-emerge later.

But you are excusing your behaviour whilst disliking his.

you are holding him to a standard of behaviour that is greater than your own.
it is common to see faults is others that we have in ourselves but that is what the issue is you are both expecting too much of the other you don’t of yourself

ThatsNotMyTeen · 24/04/2025 08:21

you both sound quite mad tbh

i also can’t believe you employ someone to shovel your dogs’ shit. So does it just lie in dollops around the garden til the shit shoveller arrives?

Poor toddler growing up in this madhouse

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:21

Why are you together when you clearly don't like each other? Why do you have three dogs when you can't even manage your house? Why do you allow your garden to fill up with dog shit? I bet your neighbours love you 😅.

NewShoesForSpring · 24/04/2025 08:21

OP your position on all of this is very difficult to understand.

From reading your many posts I think that your husband works long hours to provide a lifestyle that allows you to stay at home to pursue a hobby 'career' & that you prioritise your own needs & wants constantly in the choices you make time after time (choosing swimming, fitness classes, non priority military training, jogging) over the bare bones basics of keeping your house clean & your dogs exercised.

I'm baffled that you can't see any of this & that it is somehow your dh's fault for feeling frustrated that the house is a disgusting tip to live in & to visit.

I cannot believe that you have still have dirty dishes since Easter!! That's just plain disgusting. Your 'defence' is that it's your husband's fault because he wanted family over, so he hosted, & cooked a fancy meal. But because he wanted it you feel it's not your job to clean up after it (even though he did the majority as he went)

What if he took that attitude - it's your choice to prioritise fitness classes over hygiene so why should he fund a housekeeper, poop scooper & god know what else? Because it's not his fault that you're do scatty & disorganised?

Op do you have ADHD? I think it really sounds like you do & this could be the source of a lot of your issues

It's worth exploring

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Funnywonder · 24/04/2025 08:18

I see you apologised for the name calling. Is that just for the names you called him during this particular altercation, or something more general where you commit to stopping it altogether? Name calling is awful. So dismissive, reductive and abusive. And just takes things way too far. Honestly, you’ve really got to nip that in the bud.

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

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Heronwatcher · 24/04/2025 08:23

I do think there’s also something in the fact that sometimes if someone is in a mood they just need to be left alone to work it through themselves. Plus if you had a sensible way of running the house between you this might not arise in the first place.

I think I’d be looking at how to streamline things in terms of home life as a priority but also choosing my moment to start exploring feelings if it ends in this kind of a shitstorm.

WingsofRain · 24/04/2025 08:23

MossLover · 24/04/2025 04:58

I was away the week prior, and I didn’t know the guests were staying over, and the dogs made a mess of their beds… Also the driveway is like 200 meters long, gravel, and flanked by grass and trees on either side (weeds, fallen/overgrown branches, potholes to be filled, etc.) Had to mow the dog yard before the weekly poop scoop day, too.

DH just wanted to cook specific, fancy things for his mum and DDs. Probably a combination of wanting to show off his cooking skills and a desire to make holidays over our house special.

The dog poo is only picked up once a week?! That’s disgusting and not fair on the dogs. This whole thread is bizzare but the dog poo part of it is just awful.

inkognitha · 24/04/2025 08:24

OP, I would recommend your husband to leave with the kids and the dogs you don’t walk and never come back, the abuse you suffered turned you into an abuser and you don’t seem to recognise or own your role in the cycle of pain you are perpetuating, it’s very sad.