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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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DorothyStorm · 24/04/2025 00:45

Screamingabdabz · 23/04/2025 22:21

You pay someone to come over and pick up your dog shit?

Sorry, missing the point of the thread it’s just that I imagine every single married couple have had that exact argument at some point or other. It’s what happens when life is busy and messy [unless you’re a saddo tradwife].

But seriously, there is an actual job called “dog poop scooper”?

So someone to pick up dog poo, a house keeper snd a landscape gardener and your house is still a tip to the point your dh is embarrassed?

OliveWah · 24/04/2025 00:47

We have a rule in our family, that we give one another the benefit of the doubt and the freedom to tell one another how we're feeling, even if that might be hurtful to the person hearing it, because it's important to all of us that we know where we stand with one another. This stops resentment festering, which sounds like what is happening here.

I know what you mean about being able to "feel someone's mood", but you need to give your DH the freedom to express how he feels and just acknowledge it. You're welcome to ask "Is there anything I can do to help?", but it's not your job to 'fix' his mood, so don't run around looking to placate him (in this case by tidying up).

It sounds as if once you realised your DH hadn't been "cleaning as he went", you thought "Aha! Gotcha!" Apologies if this wasn't the case, but that's how it reads.

When your DH asked to hug it out, why didn't you? Why were you so keen to hold on to the negativity? When you say you're going to have to give him the silent treatment to get him to take you seriously, it sounds quite toxic, can you recognise this? Have a think about these things.

If you love one another and want to remain married, I agree with PPs that it would be really helpful to have some couples therapy, to help you to communicate more effectively without the 'point scoring' and name calling.

Sometimes when an argument over something small gets out of hand and it's hard for either of you to back down, 'hugging it out' is a great option!

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 00:47

CandelabraCat · 23/04/2025 22:27

Read this twice but still don’t understand what he’s done wrong. It really sounds like he (grudgingly, as he knows it usually leads to you being angry) expressed his concerns about something and you just got angry again 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yes this. And all the name calling and silent treatment is usually deemed abusive from a man so it should be from you too

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 00:47

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:31

No

"No" to which bit?

DorothyStorm · 24/04/2025 00:49

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 00:47

"No" to which bit?

Taking any responsibility.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:49

DorothyStorm · 24/04/2025 00:45

So someone to pick up dog poo, a house keeper snd a landscape gardener and your house is still a tip to the point your dh is embarrassed?

Edited

They haven't started yet. And again, I was away all of last week, it's spring time so everything is growing like mad and it took up almost all of my time the last few days to get the garden under control, and my husband cooked four 6-person meals in the kitchen and left it a wreck since Easter.

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ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 00:51

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

Nailed it
op however is unlikely to take any of that on board

Leafy3 · 24/04/2025 00:55

In defence of the op, while I stand my previous thoughts on her conflict management, it does sound like the husband doesn't do much around the house and is expecting her to do most of it with a toddler.

OK so he cooked different meals for a few people at the weekend but in fairness it's his reasonsibility as well as hers to clean up properly.

Op - yes you need to learn healthier coping techniques and better ways to resolve conflict (couples counselling) but he should be pulling his weight. Are you both forces?

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:57

OliveWah · 24/04/2025 00:47

We have a rule in our family, that we give one another the benefit of the doubt and the freedom to tell one another how we're feeling, even if that might be hurtful to the person hearing it, because it's important to all of us that we know where we stand with one another. This stops resentment festering, which sounds like what is happening here.

I know what you mean about being able to "feel someone's mood", but you need to give your DH the freedom to express how he feels and just acknowledge it. You're welcome to ask "Is there anything I can do to help?", but it's not your job to 'fix' his mood, so don't run around looking to placate him (in this case by tidying up).

It sounds as if once you realised your DH hadn't been "cleaning as he went", you thought "Aha! Gotcha!" Apologies if this wasn't the case, but that's how it reads.

When your DH asked to hug it out, why didn't you? Why were you so keen to hold on to the negativity? When you say you're going to have to give him the silent treatment to get him to take you seriously, it sounds quite toxic, can you recognise this? Have a think about these things.

If you love one another and want to remain married, I agree with PPs that it would be really helpful to have some couples therapy, to help you to communicate more effectively without the 'point scoring' and name calling.

Sometimes when an argument over something small gets out of hand and it's hard for either of you to back down, 'hugging it out' is a great option!

I felt like I did acknowledge it (though maybe it didn't feel that way to him) and I wanted to establish a procedure that would help make sure he didn't feel that way again in the future.

The "clean as you go" comment just rubbed me the wrong way entirely, because I do that all day long, and if I didn't, the house would look SO much worse. I just feel like he thinks I'm a slob and I do nothing all day, when I'm constantly cleaning up after other people to the point where some things fall through the cracks... I was trying to get him to understand that sometimes things get in the way of cleaning, like they did for him, but he did not pick up on that at all.

He always lets me forget my anger and then acts like nothing happened, and then there's no resolution. Then next time the topic comes up and I'm even angrier because we didn't fix it the first time. I don't want to "hug it out" and let it fall by the wayside yet again.

I'm going to suggest therapy for us.

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Flipslop · 24/04/2025 00:57

Leafy3 · 23/04/2025 22:48

@MossLover you need therapy for yourself un addition to couples counselling I think. I speak with sympathy because I see you've had a rough past, but you're coping strategies are toxic and unhealthy. It takes a work to unpick them and learn how to communicate healthily but it's worth doing.

Think for a moment what the replies would be if the man spoke to and treated the woman this way during and after a fall out.

Edited

Yep, this.
even ops respondes to posts on here are defensive and show lack of ownership of ops own behaviour and feelings

MossLover · 24/04/2025 01:00

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 00:47

"No" to which bit?

"No," as in, "that's the worst interpretation of anything I ever heard and I reject it entirely." Sounds just like the step parent that gaslit me into thinking everything was my fault. Just no. Absolutely not.

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ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 01:01

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:57

I felt like I did acknowledge it (though maybe it didn't feel that way to him) and I wanted to establish a procedure that would help make sure he didn't feel that way again in the future.

The "clean as you go" comment just rubbed me the wrong way entirely, because I do that all day long, and if I didn't, the house would look SO much worse. I just feel like he thinks I'm a slob and I do nothing all day, when I'm constantly cleaning up after other people to the point where some things fall through the cracks... I was trying to get him to understand that sometimes things get in the way of cleaning, like they did for him, but he did not pick up on that at all.

He always lets me forget my anger and then acts like nothing happened, and then there's no resolution. Then next time the topic comes up and I'm even angrier because we didn't fix it the first time. I don't want to "hug it out" and let it fall by the wayside yet again.

I'm going to suggest therapy for us.

Edited

the last paragraph is particularly problematic. He lets you forget your anger (or lets you calm down) then you get even angrier next time because he didn’t agree last time. Then you refuse to resolve it. Presumably with more name calling and silent treatment.

you need to look at your behaviour here as if you were a man you’d be called abusive

SheridansPortSalut · 24/04/2025 01:02
Biscuit

This sounds more like a you problem than a him problem. Stop reading his aura.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 01:03

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 01:01

the last paragraph is particularly problematic. He lets you forget your anger (or lets you calm down) then you get even angrier next time because he didn’t agree last time. Then you refuse to resolve it. Presumably with more name calling and silent treatment.

you need to look at your behaviour here as if you were a man you’d be called abusive

It's not about him agreeing or disagreeing. It's that we don't come up with a functional solution and don't both end up feeling listened to and understood

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InWalksBarberalla · 24/04/2025 01:10

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:45

To make him understand that this is a serious issue and to get him to think about it on a deeper level, if he's thinking he can just wait an hour and "hug it out"

But why is it a serious issue? Why couldn't you just let him have his frustration in peace in the morning- instead you forced him to communicate it and turned it into an argument.

AutumnLeaves24 · 24/04/2025 01:12

I'm still confused about why he expects you to have done all of this. Sorting the inside and the outside of the house. What has he been contributing, especially as you were away all of last week? I don't get why this is all on you.

Codlingmoths · 24/04/2025 02:24

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

But how is she supposed to react when he is unfair like this? She has been working to clean the driveway and garden because that was he was unhappy about that. Where is his appreciation? She was away and he just left the Easter dishes in the kitchen. Where does she get to be allowed her anger that she’s been away and he hasn’t cleaned up the dishes from the weekend?

Maitri108 · 24/04/2025 02:27

I think you're both approaching things the wrong way. For example, trying to sort something out when the other person is angry, getting ready for work and there are people on their way. How was that meant to work?

You need to stop calling him names.

He explained something about the house being a mess and that he doesn't feel comfortable. So figure out a way of solving that between you rather than brushing it under the carpet so you keep arguing about it.

When you keep arguing about the same thing, you're sticking your heels in and unable to compromise.

Bring up his anger later when he's calmed down. Ask him what was wrong. Listen and have a discussion on how to resolve it.

Octavia64 · 24/04/2025 02:38

It’s not a good idea to have the conversation about fixing the situation so quickly after acknowledging the person’s feelings,

he was angry. You noticed he was angry.
angry people take time to calm down.

most people when in an emotional state want someone to listen to them, not to offer solutions.

do the solutions conversation the next morning.

PrivateNelly · 24/04/2025 02:48

You sound like my DH and I, but the other way around. After twenty years together and his cold shoulder and mood techniques, I have been ground down. He can be right 100% of the time and I just get on with my day.

I think I am in choppy waters because I read that when someone in a couple starts becoming distant (like me), that is a problem.

Eenameenadeeka · 24/04/2025 03:16

Definitely sounds like therapy could help you to work through your communication issues.
He was stressed about having people in when the house was messy. I think that's pretty common to feel that way, I can't stand having anyone in my home when it's messy, let alone strangers. He didn't say that it was your fault, it sounds like you were both busy at the weekend, him with cooking a lot of meals and you with the garden. It doesn't sound like he was actually blaming you. Maybe you are both feeling unappreciated for the work you each do?
It's sad that he doesn't feel comfortable sharing his feelings with you, because you get angry at him and call him names, which isn't okay. Calling other people names is abusive.
He wanted to have a hug, and resolve the conflict, which is really good. That's what most people in a healthy relationship would want - to hug and make up rather than being mad about the dishes.
The fact that you think you should ignore him for a few days so that he understands is really toxic and concerning. Hopefully some therapy can help both of you to understand each other's perspective and communicate better.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 03:36

Update:

He got home and asked if we were “being friends again.” I told him that I feel like he just waits for me to stop being mad whenever we have conflicts and then we don’t come to a resolution. He said he was just testing the waters to see where I was emotionally.

He apologized for making me feel unappreciated, and said that he thinks he might have come to see how much I’ve done and rationalized himself out of his mood if he’d have sat with it a bit longer, because he hadn’t yet consciously realized he was feeling that way until I asked him about it. He said he doesn’t know how to ask for space to sit with and process his emotions without upsetting me. I told him to say just that, and promised that I’d remember we had this conversation and to give it to him. (Although, I think I will give him physical space, too, when he has big moods, because it sucks to experience them.) We talked about the pressure he’s been feeling at work lately and how that contributed to his thought process.

I apologized for the name calling, and explained why certain things he’d said earlier had set me off. He listened to all of my feelings intently and receptively, which was nice. We hugged.

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Inthetyreshop · 24/04/2025 03:39

You both don’t seem happy

WiddlinDiddlin · 24/04/2025 04:08

You are both very poor communicators, which leads to dealing with situations badly and you then both fulfill one anothers predictions for each others behaviour and round and round it goes.

You both need counselling/therapy, probably separately AND together.

Tandora · 24/04/2025 04:27

The beginning part of the argument aside which is difficult to unpack, it really stands out to me how it ended. In particular you:

  • threatened to end the relationship (over a comment about approaches to cleaning the house)

-Responded to his attempt to reconcile with a hug by calling him a bunch of names?!

This sounds like emotional abuse.