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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:11

Like, am I just not supposed to ask what's wrong and then just deal with him sulking around? Either way I feel like I'm being punished... There's so much work to do all the time and nothing ever seems like it's good enough

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Lynz301 · 23/04/2025 22:16

If it was such a problem for him, why didn’t he clean it up? I assume he had the same knowledge as you about their arrival? You’re not a mind reader. If he waits to the last minute to mention it - how does he realistically expect you to solve that problem?

Kilofoxtrot99 · 23/04/2025 22:17

Kindly- you both need to wind your necks in and acknowledge that you both have communication issues. This tit for tat business will eventually end your relationship. Couples counselling might be useful for you both and definitely worth exploring. Maybe speak to the padre or UWO. Life admin is a shared skill and something that should be facilitated without blame wherever possible if you want to have any hope of improving your relationship. Best of luck with it all.

Isittimeformynapyet · 23/04/2025 22:17

Phew! Yes, I think couples counselling would be a capital idea.

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Agix · 23/04/2025 22:20

He needs to communicate issues way before he's seething to the point you feel it. Youre not feeling others people "energy" like some woo-woo force, youre sensitive in picking up when people are angry/upset because of your history being abused. Youre tuned into it.

You need to figure out if hes doing it on purpose - the not communicating and using it as an excuse to give you a hostile environment thing. Taking advantage of the way he knows it affects you. People who have experienced abuse tend to choose partners that feel familiar. If he is doing it on purpose, nothing will change him.

Screamingabdabz · 23/04/2025 22:21

You pay someone to come over and pick up your dog shit?

Sorry, missing the point of the thread it’s just that I imagine every single married couple have had that exact argument at some point or other. It’s what happens when life is busy and messy [unless you’re a saddo tradwife].

But seriously, there is an actual job called “dog poop scooper”?

Jennifershuffles · 23/04/2025 22:21

I also want to know about the dog pooper scooper.

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:26

Agix · 23/04/2025 22:20

He needs to communicate issues way before he's seething to the point you feel it. Youre not feeling others people "energy" like some woo-woo force, youre sensitive in picking up when people are angry/upset because of your history being abused. Youre tuned into it.

You need to figure out if hes doing it on purpose - the not communicating and using it as an excuse to give you a hostile environment thing. Taking advantage of the way he knows it affects you. People who have experienced abuse tend to choose partners that feel familiar. If he is doing it on purpose, nothing will change him.

Edited

I don't think he's doing it on purpose or to be manipulative; he gets like that for other reasons that have nothing to do with me (which always makes me anxious because I assume it's something I did). I think that's just how he feels... But I wish he would try to consider things from my perspective sometimes, and maybe rationalize himself out of those emotions, you know?

@Jennifershuffles @Screamingabdabz @Wardrobehanger Yes, we hired a dog poop scooper. We have three dogs who have access to a large fenced in yard via a dog door; it's difficult to keep up with it because I can't just scoop it as they go (I'd be out there all day long) and I have a hard enough time keeping up with the regular home maintenance + childcare.

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CandelabraCat · 23/04/2025 22:27

Read this twice but still don’t understand what he’s done wrong. It really sounds like he (grudgingly, as he knows it usually leads to you being angry) expressed his concerns about something and you just got angry again 🤦🏻‍♀️

AutumnLeaves24 · 23/04/2025 22:28

Sorry, I didn't even get to the end of your post, but you both sound like an incredibly hard work. This is exactly what we needed.

Why is it all on you? What was he doing in the time he to clean the house and sort the outside out.

Still, the housekeeper will start soon, along with all the other people the show on the road, so I'm sure it will all be fine

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:30

CandelabraCat · 23/04/2025 22:27

Read this twice but still don’t understand what he’s done wrong. It really sounds like he (grudgingly, as he knows it usually leads to you being angry) expressed his concerns about something and you just got angry again 🤦🏻‍♀️

But I didn't get angry about his feelings. I tried to calmly talk about what we could do differently to avoid this, and then he insisted he already told me that he wants the house clean when people come over, and then he predicted a reaction that I didn't have and accused me of gaslighting him when I said I don't remember that at all, and then I started to get angry

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Mountainfrog · 23/04/2025 22:34

It sounds to me like you both feel you do a lot and are not appreciated for it by the other person.
i think it would be a good idea to…

  1. practice gratitude towards each other for the things that have been done. Even if you feel that you have done more it is being the bigger person to acknowledge their contribution and avoids opening a conversation with criticism/waiting until you detect frustration/anger.
  2. avoid these repeating patterns that always end in conflict, maybe write out the jobs that need doing, establish which jobs are priorities to each of you - this may be different to him than to you - then share out the jobs fairly.Accept some things are ok to leave until a less busy time, agree on which jobs these are.
  3. ensure that each of you gets chance to rest without getting a martyrish side eye from the other one.
  4. however much work there is to be done, try to prioritise precious family time/date nights etc., it can be easy to treat life as a list of jobs but you can easily become life colleagues if you’re not careful. No one looks back at these years and wishes they had spent more time cleaning.
Hankunamatata · 23/04/2025 22:35

Counselling

I can't believe you actively want to give him cold shoulder when your not even mad anymore. - that's twisted

Livelaughlurgy · 23/04/2025 22:37

My dh sometimes is a bit like you - from what I'm picking up on. I'll be annoyed at something, he'll start asking me what's wrong and then he'll get defensive and start arguing his case and asking why I didn't take steps to solve it. So I feel like I can't be frustrated at anything unless I have a rational case against him that I can argue. Because otherwise I'll be annoyed at something and then he'll start on about how it's my fault I'm annoyed- no shit Sherlock, I never said otherwise. So let him be annoyed and embarrassed about the state of the house- that's his prerogative.

Leafy3 · 23/04/2025 22:39

AutumnLeaves24 · 23/04/2025 22:28

Sorry, I didn't even get to the end of your post, but you both sound like an incredibly hard work. This is exactly what we needed.

Why is it all on you? What was he doing in the time he to clean the house and sort the outside out.

Still, the housekeeper will start soon, along with all the other people the show on the road, so I'm sure it will all be fine

If they're a military family their housing costs may be low enough to offset additional domestic help - doesn't mean they're wealthy.

@MossLover I agree couples counselling would be good for you both.

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:39

Hankunamatata · 23/04/2025 22:35

Counselling

I can't believe you actively want to give him cold shoulder when your not even mad anymore. - that's twisted

I don't want to. I feel like I have no other choice if I want a resolution

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steff13 · 23/04/2025 22:43

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:39

I don't want to. I feel like I have no other choice if I want a resolution

To manipulate him into apologizing?

MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:45

steff13 · 23/04/2025 22:43

To manipulate him into apologizing?

To make him understand that this is a serious issue and to get him to think about it on a deeper level, if he's thinking he can just wait an hour and "hug it out"

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Hyperquiet · 23/04/2025 22:48

I think it is hard to come back from name calling as then it gets personal. It should just focus on the matter at hand as you can move on from those things.

Leafy3 · 23/04/2025 22:48

@MossLover you need therapy for yourself un addition to couples counselling I think. I speak with sympathy because I see you've had a rough past, but you're coping strategies are toxic and unhealthy. It takes a work to unpick them and learn how to communicate healthily but it's worth doing.

Think for a moment what the replies would be if the man spoke to and treated the woman this way during and after a fall out.

Branleuse · 23/04/2025 22:54

I relate. Me and my husband can get a bit like this. He has a more of an avoidant type communication style when hes stressed. It winds me up because if hes going to have a face like thunder and give bad vibes, then he should at least let me know what is annoying him, or reassure me if it's not about me.

Your husband just acts pissy and then exclaims that you don't let him express himself, but i think he means that he wants to be able to say that stuff to you and for you to just take it and you not get defensive or upset. Hes not helping the situation, and hes being passive aggressive.

Leafy3 · 23/04/2025 22:56

Branleuse · 23/04/2025 22:54

I relate. Me and my husband can get a bit like this. He has a more of an avoidant type communication style when hes stressed. It winds me up because if hes going to have a face like thunder and give bad vibes, then he should at least let me know what is annoying him, or reassure me if it's not about me.

Your husband just acts pissy and then exclaims that you don't let him express himself, but i think he means that he wants to be able to say that stuff to you and for you to just take it and you not get defensive or upset. Hes not helping the situation, and hes being passive aggressive.

I sympathise with this too and I do relate to the ops description of really feeling the force of his feelings - I lived with someone like this once and felt just the same.

They both have opposing ways of communicating, both unhealthy, but the name calling has to stop.

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:31

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

No

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