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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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CoralCrow · 24/04/2025 04:28

AI

nomas · 24/04/2025 04:39

It does all sound disorganised. Why was the guest bedding being laundered on the day the guests were coming?

Why was the shared driveway allowed to get in such a state that it needed 2 days to sort and had to be prioritised over cleaning the house?

Why were 4 different meals needed for 6 people?

MossLover · 24/04/2025 04:58

I was away the week prior, and I didn’t know the guests were staying over, and the dogs made a mess of their beds… Also the driveway is like 200 meters long, gravel, and flanked by grass and trees on either side (weeds, fallen/overgrown branches, potholes to be filled, etc.) Had to mow the dog yard before the weekly poop scoop day, too.

DH just wanted to cook specific, fancy things for his mum and DDs. Probably a combination of wanting to show off his cooking skills and a desire to make holidays over our house special.

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nomas · 24/04/2025 05:01

Was DH at home with toddler whilst you were away? Why didn’t he launder the bedding and arrange a gardener and cleaner whilst you were away?

ayonoosh · 24/04/2025 05:07

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

Completely agree

MossLover · 24/04/2025 05:16

nomas · 24/04/2025 05:01

Was DH at home with toddler whilst you were away? Why didn’t he launder the bedding and arrange a gardener and cleaner whilst you were away?

We sent her to school for the extra days I was away. He didn’t know they were staying over either, and he technically did hire help; it just takes time to get them out to the house for cost estimates and to get us on the schedule.

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BabyOrca · 24/04/2025 05:17

Do you work?

SnobblyBobbly · 24/04/2025 05:20

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Same here! 😆

springintoaction321 · 24/04/2025 05:22

What a load of old bollocks.

Why the hell do you have 3 dogs if you can't even walk them every day??

I wonder if I'm right in thinking the OP does not live in the UK?

springintoaction321 · 24/04/2025 05:26

Also the driveway is like 200 meters long, gravel, and flanked by grass and trees on either side (weeds, fallen/overgrown branches, potholes to be filled, etc.) Had to mow the dog yard before the weekly poop scoop day, too

Really??

How on this God's fair earth are you going to mow a lawn covered with 3 x dogs' poo??

We have one dog and a garden and I can assure everyone that the poop must be scooped before the mowing happens.

Hence I'm calling further BS on this

MossLover · 24/04/2025 05:27

springintoaction321 · 24/04/2025 05:22

What a load of old bollocks.

Why the hell do you have 3 dogs if you can't even walk them every day??

I wonder if I'm right in thinking the OP does not live in the UK?

I’m confused as to where walking comes in here?

They have lots of space to run outdoors, whenever they want. We take them on jaunts through the woods and to swim in the creek sometimes, too.

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WeddingGuest25 · 24/04/2025 05:28

There’s a lot of sense from PPs that is worth thinking about, OP.

One thing that stood out to me is the beginning part of this argument. I was abused as a child, I’m also very sensitive to moods as a result. I have learned (through lots of therapy in my early 20s) that it isn’t my job to manage those moods on behalf of others. He’s an adult, as are you. If he’s grumpy, or whatever, he has agency to address that with you if he wants to. It sounds like you’ve developed a habit (understandably) where you’re trying to get ahead of, and manage, the problem by surfacing it. Why not try not doing that? Feel the mood internally, but don’t take action - let him address it with you if / when he wants to. You may find that the extra time that gives him allows him more time to rationalise / process and then engage you on it more constructively - rather than being bounced prematurely into stating his position and doing so clumsily as a result.

i really recommend therapy to help you recognise and understand some of your patterns of behaviour; I found it game changing.

333FionaG · 24/04/2025 05:30

Tell me you don’t mow the lawn before the poop is scooped? Ugh. I can just imagine flying dog shit everywhere.

Menopausalmum43 · 24/04/2025 05:31

How much do dog pooper scoopers get paid? What is the job title? Is it Pooper Scooper or is that the trade tool? Do they correct you like if you called some who hunts for buried precious metals with a beepy stick a metal detector instead of a Detectorist?

MossLover · 24/04/2025 05:34

@springintoaction321 I just wore old boots and had at it, I guess. We have a mulch plug on our mower, so it’s not like poo got shredded and flung up at me. What skeptics you are 😆

@WeddingGuest25 That’s insightful advice. Thank you

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MossLover · 24/04/2025 05:38

Menopausalmum43 · 24/04/2025 05:31

How much do dog pooper scoopers get paid? What is the job title? Is it Pooper Scooper or is that the trade tool? Do they correct you like if you called some who hunts for buried precious metals with a beepy stick a metal detector instead of a Detectorist?

Not sure how much the scoopers get paid, but I tip mine pretty well, and I just call him by his name 😂

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BabyOrca · 24/04/2025 05:43

So you don't work or walk your dogs?

QuaintShaker · 24/04/2025 05:44

Being around someone who is constantly and obviously in a bad mood is unpleasant, and on oppresive situation to be in.

Similarly, being around someone who is hypersensitive to others' emotional states, is anxious that they may be the cause, and feels the need to promptly confront and solve the issue, is also an oppresive place to be in.

It is normal for people to sometimes be in a bad mood, including over unreasonable things, where they would be unjustified or hypocritical to compalin. They may need time, space or a popular website to work through their unreasonable emotions. It is not usually a good approach to draw each and every emotion immediately out into the open, and require that it be justified.

I'm glad you've had a productive talk and I hope you can follow-through on giving him space where he expresses a need for it, even if that is sometimes contrary to the resolution your anxiety is demanding. That isn't free reign for him to huff, puff and sulk, but there needs to be a better balance and it sounds as though you may both ultimately be happier if it can be achieved (because not every mood will become an argument).

springintoaction321 · 24/04/2025 05:45

@MossLover sorry for being skeptical Grin I guess it's all very different from my life - apologies.

As for the dogs - I'm not an expert, but unless they are working dogs, I would assume that any dog needs at least 2 walks a day with the owner/dog walker to keep them happy and entertained.

If they are running in and out of the house all day no wonder you might have trouble keeping floors clean etc.
We have one dog and 2 cats and that's a fair amount of mess but manageable.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 05:46

@BabyOrca I’m in the military reserves, and I walk them sometimes. But like I said… they have space and opportunity to exercise. They’re out running around, sunbathing, barking at animals, or chasing each other all the time.

I’m still confused as to what you’re getting at

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BabyOrca · 24/04/2025 05:53

I'm trying to establish whether you have a lot more free time than him

TeenLifeMum · 24/04/2025 05:55

I can’t get over the fact you think you’re too busy to pick up dog poop - I work full time, 3dc, 2 dogs, 2 rabbits, just completed a pgdip level 7 at uni alongside work and yes we have a cleaner but picking up dog poop takes minutes. That says quite a lot to me.

The Easter cooking - if I was your dh I’d be fuming. I cook and dh cleans up and vice versa. He was cooking for the family so having to cook and then clean up after you all is so selfish of you.

I realise that’s not what you want to hear and I can only go by what you posted but it sounds like you need to step up with the house and couples counselling would be a good idea because your emotional response is incredibly unfair.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 05:57

I mean, my schedule is significantly less structured than his, but idk about actual net free time… Usually it’s more like “can I neglect some of these tasks for a short while without everything falling apart?”

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MossLover · 24/04/2025 06:02

TeenLifeMum · 24/04/2025 05:55

I can’t get over the fact you think you’re too busy to pick up dog poop - I work full time, 3dc, 2 dogs, 2 rabbits, just completed a pgdip level 7 at uni alongside work and yes we have a cleaner but picking up dog poop takes minutes. That says quite a lot to me.

The Easter cooking - if I was your dh I’d be fuming. I cook and dh cleans up and vice versa. He was cooking for the family so having to cook and then clean up after you all is so selfish of you.

I realise that’s not what you want to hear and I can only go by what you posted but it sounds like you need to step up with the house and couples counselling would be a good idea because your emotional response is incredibly unfair.

Good for you, hun. You’re a star.

He volunteered to cook all of that, and I’m pretty sure he mostly cleaned in between meals because he needed the cook ware and counter space. Generally the dishes are my responsibility, but I was busy with more pressing matters.

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Enrichetta · 24/04/2025 06:05

I'm trying to get my head around your very unusual setup... Can you be more specific. What does being in military reserve entail - how many hours do you actually work, compared to your husband. How many children, how old, at school?

How do you actually organise your life - it all seems so chaotic.

As for the dog poo....... words fail me. I assume you have a separate garden for the kids/family, but still 😱