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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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MossLover · 24/04/2025 06:45

Soontobe60 · 24/04/2025 06:38

In my house, I generally do the cooking and DH will do the cleaning up straight after the meal. If he cooks, I clean up. I would assume you were not gardening whilst he was cooking for guests, or indeed not gardening at all when guests are present.
You sound like hard work - do you have a job out side of the home? If not, I would expect you to do the bulk of the housework.

I usually do the dishes regardless of who cooks. I was trying to maintain the rest of the house and get clean bedding situated for an unexpected sleepover. (Easter grass, plastic eggs, toys, the contents of my MIL’s purse, dog hair, and muddy paw prints EVERYWHERE.)

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CherryBlossomPie · 24/04/2025 06:48

I think the issue on your side is wanting him to be different.

beAsensible1 · 24/04/2025 06:51

MossLover · 24/04/2025 06:39

I cleaned up the garden because he was complaining it looked like shit earlier in the week. I figured we didn’t need to impress the plumber and electrician with a sparkling kitchen; they weren’t even working there

I think you probably could’ve done both.

and preferably done the kitchen then the garden. Most people would put the kitchen as higher priority

i think you need to clean as you go re the dog poo. Do it once in the morning and once in the evening.

I get you do a lot of the household tasks but as the sahp that’s usually how the balance works. If he should also step up, which it seems like he does.

BananaSpanner · 24/04/2025 06:51

MossLover · 24/04/2025 06:39

I cleaned up the garden because he was complaining it looked like shit earlier in the week. I figured we didn’t need to impress the plumber and electrician with a sparkling kitchen; they weren’t even working there

You’ve not washed up since Easter. That is grim.

You call him names in anger and cold shoulder him into an apology (which you are now very pleased you have received so will see it as a success).

If you actually want an outside perspective rather than just people to agree with you, then mine is that your behaviour is pretty awful.

Totot · 24/04/2025 06:52

I think you definitely have a communication issue and counselling would benefit you. Even if you just went alone initially to deal with how you communicate with your husband as I can your communication style would be frustrating for him.

I also think you need to work on your organisation. It doesn’t come naturally to everyone, but it would help you a lot. The tasks you list aren’t daily tasks, and I think a lot of us struggle to see why you feel so overwhelmed as all families have these jobs and many both work full time, often with more children in the mix. When you get your cleaner it will help, maybe you can talk to them and get some tips on organising, or look at some local services that can help you with this.

The dog poo collector is a great idea, especially as you share a driveway with your neighbours, as you sound too overwhelmed to do it yourself and your neighbours would be very annoyed with dog poo everywhere!

Wolfpa · 24/04/2025 06:54

You currently sound like hard work which is increasing every post you make. It sounds as if you need to adjust your communication style and that you are not actually listening to your DH.

Have you spoken to a Dr about your empath abilities and these feelings in general as they can be symptoms of several different things.

beAsensible1 · 24/04/2025 06:54

MossLover · 24/04/2025 06:45

I usually do the dishes regardless of who cooks. I was trying to maintain the rest of the house and get clean bedding situated for an unexpected sleepover. (Easter grass, plastic eggs, toys, the contents of my MIL’s purse, dog hair, and muddy paw prints EVERYWHERE.)

Why are there muddy paw prints??? You have enough space to rinse them off before they come in?

I think you need a schedule and bit more home organisation. It sounds like your day is too chaotic so you are not managing to stay on top things.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 24/04/2025 06:59

You can hire someone to pick up your dogs shit?

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:01

moose62 · 24/04/2025 06:33

So you are basically a stay at home mum with one child at school 2 days of the week and dogs that you don't walk.
You admit that your husband works long hours so I can understand why he would be unhappy if the place was a mess. If you have time to ' squeeze in a workout' then perhaps use cleaning up as exercise. And how many times a day do you have to get the dog door fixed. Mine hasn't broken in 10 years!

lol. Cleaning is not gonna help me score well on my physical fitness tests…Gardening sometimes counts, if I have heavy things to move from one place to another. If I can get to the gym to lift when there are childcare hours, I’ll do that. Sometimes I’ll put DD in her running carriage and we’ll run to the playground and back afterwards, if she’s home. I might treat myself to a swim or a jiujitsu class if she’s in school and I don’t have some appointment to keep.

Our dog door is an electronic one fitted to our sliding glass door, and between it and the sensor-tag-activator-thingies that go the dogs’ collars, it malfunctions at least weekly, and takes forever to recalibrate and check to make sure it’s working. That’s like half an hour gone… but it is nice to be able to shut it off remotely if I’m not home when the poop scooper comes.

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BitOutOfPractice · 24/04/2025 07:07

This op, despite its enormous length, raises more questions than it answers (military training? Poop scooper?)

Anyway, if I were your husband I’d be pretty miffed too if I wasn’t allowed to express an opinion without bringing called a dick. You sound like very hard work.

It sounds to me like you both feel hard done by and resentful and scoring Points off each other.

BTW everyone knows when their oh is in a strop. It doesn’t make you some special empath.

Franjipanl8r · 24/04/2025 07:08

It sounds like you’re always picking a fight and not actually working through your problems. 5 mins before people arrive at the house wasn’t the time for this conversation. You could have easily said “I’m sensing you’re frustrated, let’s talk about this later”. It’s like you’re baiting him for an argument.

CousinBob · 24/04/2025 07:08

It sounds like life is busy OP. I’m sure having the Housekeeper will help.
I’m glad you and your husband came to some resolution on this.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:09

beAsensible1 · 24/04/2025 06:54

Why are there muddy paw prints??? You have enough space to rinse them off before they come in?

I think you need a schedule and bit more home organisation. It sounds like your day is too chaotic so you are not managing to stay on top things.

We have a dog door, it’s April and muddy out, there was an extra set of paws from MIL’s dog being there…

I’ve tried schedules; it just seems like too much stuff pops up and throws me off track. I just try to think about what needs doing most urgently, and what fits best into a given day, and do that. We are fed and have clean clothes to wear, the child is being educated and stimulated, the pets are healthy and happy, the garden is a garden and not a jungle, and the house is acceptably clean imo (though apparently not to DH’s standards. Snobby handymen!)

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Isouf · 24/04/2025 07:12

Can you actually describe your typical day? You work very part time and struggle with tasks that are the normal things.

My first impression is your DH is too nice because he should actually be telling you to stop faffing around and get stuff done🤐

Zonder · 24/04/2025 07:14

SAHM most of the time, with a bit of an army job very part time. Toddler in school two days a week. I do think maybe you need help getting organised. I feel a bit sorry for him given that he cooked and cleaned and presumably cared for the toddler while you were away and days later has been back at work while you've been home not even finishing the Easter dishes.

But my main point follows on from this pp:
you feeling other people’s emotions strongly is quite frankly not anyone else’s problem. Manage it yourself. Trying to push him to emote or not emote based on how it makes you feel is ridiculous and unfair

I think some people who are "empathetic" like this don't accept that sometimes they get it wrong, and can push people either to share what they never intended to, or even gaslight them by projecting feelings on them that they weren't feeling. Your sensing of other people's moods won't always be accurate and will be wrapped up in your own experience.

Unless you think it's some kind of psychic power?

Mischance · 24/04/2025 07:16

....... dog poop scooper !!! - you have a dog poop scooper??!!

How much do you pay the person who wipes your bum!!?? 😂

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:18

I didn’t call him a dick! I said he was being ridiculous and he misheard me. Then he was like “here comes the name calling” when I hadn’t even done that. It was like miscommunication after miscommunication, which was triggering for me.

i feel like most people can handle their partners’ moods or the energy from crowds without being nearly overwhelmed by them, but whatever.

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/04/2025 07:19

Probably missing the point of this thread but it sounds like you have a massive house and lots of money to throw at help but also that you don’t even have a dishwasher. Such a basic appliance that would help hugely in reducing workload!

NeelyOHara · 24/04/2025 07:22

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McCheck · 24/04/2025 07:24

couples counseling definitely. Just learning healthier communication styles for both of you

DahliaBlooming · 24/04/2025 07:25

I don't think you want advice or opinions, you just want to continue arguing your case.

YABU

MarmiteRoasties · 24/04/2025 07:25

MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/04/2025 07:19

Probably missing the point of this thread but it sounds like you have a massive house and lots of money to throw at help but also that you don’t even have a dishwasher. Such a basic appliance that would help hugely in reducing workload!

This is literally what I was about to type 😂

all the money in the world, no kitchen appliances. That poor housekeeper when they start, without those essential basics 🙄🤭

Createausernameplease · 24/04/2025 07:28

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:31

No

I 100% agree with what the poster said. In short you sound like a nightmare with no concept of the real world

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:29

Zonder · 24/04/2025 07:14

SAHM most of the time, with a bit of an army job very part time. Toddler in school two days a week. I do think maybe you need help getting organised. I feel a bit sorry for him given that he cooked and cleaned and presumably cared for the toddler while you were away and days later has been back at work while you've been home not even finishing the Easter dishes.

But my main point follows on from this pp:
you feeling other people’s emotions strongly is quite frankly not anyone else’s problem. Manage it yourself. Trying to push him to emote or not emote based on how it makes you feel is ridiculous and unfair

I think some people who are "empathetic" like this don't accept that sometimes they get it wrong, and can push people either to share what they never intended to, or even gaslight them by projecting feelings on them that they weren't feeling. Your sensing of other people's moods won't always be accurate and will be wrapped up in your own experience.

Unless you think it's some kind of psychic power?

I don’t think asking somebody “What’s wrong?” when their mood practically bonks you over the head from across the room is that leading of a question, is it?

Like I know, in retrospect, that he wasn’t ready to discuss it, but it’s not like I said “Why are you angry/upset with me?” (Even though I was right)

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Christmasmorale · 24/04/2025 07:30

He’s likely being unreasonable in his housework expectations but you’re being abusive. Name calling would be marriage ending for me. You need to work on your issues asap.