Why were trans threads hidden?

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Since the ruling that biological sex matters I've been reading more and more. Every day.

To my shame, I didn't really follow the issue or consider it before. The more I read, the more horrified I am at how women who've been campaigning have been treated by society, by TRA activists, by other women and even on mumsnet hidden in a corner in sex and feminism.

JK Rowling having rape and death threats for sharing her concerns. Women being cancelled. This is an every women and every girl issue.

With the rise in toxic masculinity and misogyny in schools and society we all need to talk about this more.

Well done to those that did the talking and campaigning for the safety of all women.

Yes that’s another good point, this should affect statistics. Only women will be covered under female sex and so sex based information will need to be collected for monitoring purposes.

Oh. And Rufus, imagine the arrogance to think all other posters should be posting just to make a board interesting for you and that you feel so entitled that you jump on threads and complain how boring the thread is.

I mean, just that is a AIBU thread in itself!

Absolutely

Agreed, Sooty. It’s so difficult reading threads, let alone posting on them. I think they’ve forgotten that, in the main, other posters are women too and not enemies.

No they are not. Most women recognise them as our feminist definitions.

Will your tone policing never end? It's increasingly tiresome. And very misogynistic.

I fear @Never2many name may be illustrative, sadly.

No, it’s not alright either way. But are you ok with the double standards and the name calling, as long as it’s coming from you and not aimed at you? Someone called another person a bigot, and everyone jumped on that’s post, had it removed and then continued to say how name calling was inappropriate. You use the exact same insult, I point out your antagonistic tone, and I basically get told “yes but it’s ok this time because…”. Double standards are fine then?

I’m not part of a mob. I’m explaining why some women hide these threads, and it’s largely down to posters like you. You turn women away from the discussion with your sarcasm and antagonism. Women dip into these threads with genuine questions, see posts like yours and think “I’m not aligning myself with these lot” and it’s because of posts like yours, because as we’ve seen, a lot of women on these threads are able to explain their ideas without mockery, sarcasm and swearing. But then, you’re only here to argue aren’t you? So I’m sure you’ll enjoy writing a lovely sweary message back to me. I won’t be reading it from now on, but I’m sure you’ll find someone else to argue with later today. And tomorrow. And the next day - have fun.

I think these important threads about womens rights should be where everyone can see them. No hidden in a corner as if an embarrassment. They affect us all. Women's rights are important on a mumsnet thread.

Surely people are grown up enough to scroll on by if they find women's rights dull or uninteresting.

Women have been told for years that they are transphobic simply for saying ‘transwomen are men’. We have been demonised because we won’t even add a space in the word transwomen on the insistence of some who use language as an emotional manipulative tool to tell everyone they are women just like tall woman.

We also spend a great deal of time patiently explaining the issues to only be told we are hateful, unkind, and not womaning right. I am sure all those posters who have joined in telling us our talking points are boring, recycled, unkind, disrespectful think they are simply trying to make their lives comfortable so they don’t have to see the mean, disrespectful women’s points.

The hypocrisy of censuring women for their unkind and disrespectful behaviour while no one even bothers with the posters labelling women hateful, bigots and posting vile sentiments like there is not enough women and girls raped by trans women yet to be concerned is stark. There are posters on this thread who have I have never yet seen censure a person labelling women transphobic bigots and other vile names, but always takes to the time to complain about the women posting defending their rights.

I mean imagine telling women, ‘you are not speaking nicely enough for me to consider your words’, or ‘I can’t hear you because you insist on calling someone I feel we should be nice to ‘male’ or ‘he’’ or telling women ‘go away with your endless complaints, I have heard them all before’. But that is what is happening here.

I don’t see a great deal of “patient explaining”. I almost always see hectoring, jeering, swearing, harassment, intellectual slights, and accusations of varying types. This is just to posters simply trying to engage.

We get women’s points, and/or wish to understand the issues more. That’s why we are there in the first place. Why chase women away who want to be engaged with the issues? This has been raised time and time again, yet you refuse to acknowledge it.

No it isn’t to posters “simply trying to engage” for the most part.

Says the person who accused me of having a fetish.

And who hands out 'intellectual slights', jeering, and accusations. In fact, anyone who wishes to check your current posting history might think that you are projecting.

What experience is that? I mean, you have only been posting for such a short period of time after all.

How could you possibly know?

That you’re both biased towards your own position and apparently don’t see when posters you approve of are disrespectful and try to shut women down?

Name changing: that thing some people do occasionally that they are allowed to do and I do for security reasons. 🙏

Are you saying @ilovesooty tried to shut you down? Really?

No, I didn’t specifically say that poster did. I referenced you both as ignoring posters you agreed with who did 🙄

Gosh... you must be right.

Writing this in response to what I and others have explained as our experiences for female toilet usage is not you saying 'I had a fetish' at all..... "What an odd discussion. It sounds almost like you are fetishising women’s toilets and what women do in there."

Silly me. Oh.. yes.. you got there first 'No, your comprehension seems poor.'. But not an intellectual slight or jeer.

But, please do tell me more about how you have been treated on threads.

Please take the time to read posts before getting the wrong end of the stick @Couleur