Why were trans threads hidden?

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Since the ruling that biological sex matters I've been reading more and more. Every day.

To my shame, I didn't really follow the issue or consider it before. The more I read, the more horrified I am at how women who've been campaigning have been treated by society, by TRA activists, by other women and even on mumsnet hidden in a corner in sex and feminism.

JK Rowling having rape and death threats for sharing her concerns. Women being cancelled. This is an every women and every girl issue.

With the rise in toxic masculinity and misogyny in schools and society we all need to talk about this more.

Well done to those that did the talking and campaigning for the safety of all women.

This is so interesting. I work in an adult education setting & the times I have a problem with pronouns/gender identity/transphobia is with men claiming they are women, in 29 years I have never ever had a woman who was as adamant & frankly angry & entitled as a man was..

Wow. That is quite the take. And total hyperbole and bizarre.

There are many posters on MN that have a full range of views. It seems more that you are an ill informed poster who can’t engage in discussion about the impacts on women and children, instead you have dismissed it.

But, fucking hell, you want there and you typed

”Let’s be honest here, how many women are being raped by trans women? Genuinely? Because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number, but as soon as it happens once the whole trans community is blamed.”

Please do tell us how many rapes by male with transgender identities will be enough before we can close the massive safeguarding loophole that has been created? 1? That number has passed a long time ago. 5? I think that has passed too? How many? 50? 100?

Just rapes? Or what about violence? Another 5? Oh. I think we passed that number long ago too! Another 50/100/1000?

You are here advocating for a loophole that allows a group of male people to access female single sex spaces. You have actively dismissed the women and girls who have already suffered rape and violence at the hands of males specifically with transgender identities, in your attempt to shame women who DO care about them. And you actually feel righteous doing it.

No one blames all trans people. That is emotionally manipulative hyperbole. It is ludicrous to start with. Which feminists blame female people with transgender identities for rape? Or have you forgotten those female people in your haste to defend what amounts to men’s rights under the EA.

But what an enlightening post.

I can understand why there is a designated section for it

there is a designated section because a number of posters lobbied mumsnet for a separate board upon which they were all going to post important feminist threads which were being ignored on the main board

mumsnet set up the 2 boards and lo….barely any of the posters who were desperate to make threads, made any threads

No problem keep asking questions✅️

The ongoing case is based on a conflict of rights between two employees and the employers decisions. So not directly relevant. However during a court hearing a statement was made by an employees about their expectation on how patient care should be managed.

Its a general "what if" test question on how a UK hospital should manage conflicting rights between an employee and a patient.

In this general test case there are 8 employees and each needs to decide who can or can not provide medical intervention.

People will claim that the hospital should deal with the question on an ad hoc or case by case basis. And ignore the fact that senior management staff are paid to make decisions which may be difficult and write a policy (or have rules)

So its asking people to decide what rules should be made before an incident happens to make sure an assault is not allowed.

”Let’s be honest here, how many women are being raped by trans women? Genuinely? Because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number, but as soon as it happens once the whole trans community is blamed.”

Seriously, who the fuck would think this is a righteous post?

“How many women are being raped by transwomen, … because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number”.

As if there should be an acceptable amount before women and girls should be allowed to be concerned,

to campaign to close the loopholes that allowed these male people access to single sex spaces,

and that there needs to be some acceptable amount before their rapes can be discussed so we can work to reduce both the risk of it happening and ways to reduce the trauma retriggering.

And I think the person who posted this thinks they are kind, tolerant and righteous.

I can never understand why people get annoyed that there are threads about topics they aren't interested in. I mean, I'm not interested in knitting, reality TV dogs, cars, pregnancy or babies so I don't click on those threads. If I go onto a thread and it's about something I'm not interested in I click out of it.

Most women are interested in women's rights, either for themselves, their daughters, mothers etc. So on a platform mainly for Mums it's hardly surprising that people want to discuss a hugely important recent ruling on women's rights. It's like complaining that the BBC is talking too much about the war in Ukraine or Trump or politics. If you don't want to read about those things then don't go on those websites, or at least don't click on the threads/articles you don't want to read.

I suspect that those who complain about us discussing this are part of the #nodebate crew who want to silence women. Just like those people who scream and shout and protest against women speaking about our rights in public.

Women won't be silenced.

Women won't be silenced.

Even by other women, sometimes.

I don't think that's correct. As far as I'm aware some posters complained about seeing threads about women's rights / trans issues so Mumsnet set up a "naughty corner" for all threads mentioning trans issues so people could hide them. It used to be the case that if anyone posted something about trans issues in AIBU or somewhere like that it was instantly whipped off to the naughty corner so that it could be hidden. Things have got better and Mumsnet now allow discussion of trans issues outside of the naughty corner. But people who want to silence women still complain because they don't want people to come across the truth of what is happening.

It is absolutely correct

Until very recently all threads on women’s rights in this area out of the sex and gender board had many responses like we have seen here. People calling those wishing to discuss it bigots and hateful etc etc. Often aggressively with insults. The posts were then deleted or moved to the naughty corner.

i don’t blame mumsnet as they had a very difficult line to walk wanting to allow free speech while still needing advertisements and needing to represent the women who don’t want to hear about how their rights were being erroded.

i do Hope we see more open discussion now. Even more I hope we start to see less need for it although the reaction to the SC judgement makes it clear those who campaign for women are still vilified. The women in the naughty corner who are regular posters have done a lot for women’s rights and I recognise that and applaud them. Following a post that was relegated to the naughty corner led me to a wealth of information and real evidence to form a considered opinion away from all the emotional hyperbole and nastiness.

i know people are saying they are fed up of it but it’s women’s rights that were being taken from us. How can you not care about this? How can you be ok with women suffering so as not to hurt male feelings? If it were not for the regular posters and women who started the grassroots movement to fight to keep our rights we could all find ourselves in situations where we wished we had let them speak. I for one am glad I now know if I’m in hospital needing intimate care it won’t be a man and I face not receiving care if I object, im glad I won’t face male bodies in female sports and won’t loose any potential awards or funding or places on boards reserved for women to men who say they are women. But mainly I’m thankful my dd won’t face these things and I’m empowered by the persistence of these women and know I need to support them as the pushback on this ruling is already mounting. Trans activist have been defacing suffragette statues and pissing in the street in protest and many are saying they will ignore the ruling. Violent and rape threats are still happening.

if you don’t want to engage in this issue fine. But don’t be angry and try to silence the women who do care and are speaking up

”Let’s be honest here, how many women are being raped by trans women? Genuinely? Because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number, but as soon as it happens once the whole trans community is blamed.”

I think a more interesting question is how many rapists suddenly adopt trans identities. Isla Bryson? Remember his big prick in the pink leggings? A violent nasty piece of work. Wanted to be locked up around vulnerable women. I wonder why?

The point is not about transwomen but about men. All rapes committed are by men. And how do you police the good and bad ones? You can’t. So you try and mitigate things for girls and women by protecting sex based rights and dignities. Simple.

Thanks. I support women's rights for all women including those who saw TWAW and are happy to give away my right to single sex female spaces. I am not sure what to call such women though - misguided perhaps?

Oh, come on. There was a massive moment to promote becoming trans. To young and vulnerable young teenagers.

It was not what had gone before.

Exactly!

You missed the option ‘would I piss around like this if I genuinely needed a hcp’

Do you want to actually reply to the questions or blame the man for having made the request?

I can't sadly believe how many posters have said here that they hide the threads of aren't interested, or worse still think it's all 'transphobic'.
How can you not care? It's about women. Even MP's generally and the PM KS can't seem to define the word, woman.
You do know it's a biological fact, that sex is determined at conception. Doctor Robert Winston. Like Sex not gender. You can't change sex.
How can you disagree with anything JKR has said? Watching Khelif boxing at the Olympics. Lia swimming. K stock loses her job at B Uni. How can this NOT bother you. For all of you with dd's? (I only have ds's). How has this whole thing that's been allowed to go on for ages, not bother you?

I’m not sure why anyone would find women’s rights and women’s safety dull. I value being able to vote, use maternity care and being able to go for a smear test. Im a strong believer that women should be paid equally to men?

Each to their own of course.

Funny that, the panel of judges also unilaterally considered the pro women position to be the correct one. Perhaps there are few counter arguments posted because they don't exist.

Womens rights is not 'transphobia'. What you mean to say is that we are anti-men or misandrists.

You also don't seem to care about the increased hatred of women and misogyny and femphobia that trans extremists have caused.

And no, this is NOT 'both' sides. Women aren't going around pissing on feminist statues or threatening to kill or rape trans people. So quit your lies. One side (feminists) want to defend womens sex-based rights without hurting men. The other (TRAs/Mens Rights Activists) want to remove every single sex space and openly taunt and threaten to rape and piss on women.

The world has been full of pro-trans for years which has been beyond 'fucking boring'. You can't handle 3 days of feminism?

Telling women to WITHDRAW FROM PARTICIPATING IN SOCIETY, rather than fight for our rights, is not the win you think it is.

Womens rights and struggles are universal. Are you saying you don't care about women under the Talibanic Afghanistan, because you don't live in Afghanistan?

She didn't say it was.

It is not about "arguing with each other", it's about trying to spread awareness to others who are not aware of the issues. To get as many people knowing and participating in the discussions as possible.

Wouldn't it be lovely to not have to discuss womens rights to death.