Of course women will be safer

[HardyKoala]

Following the Supreme Court ruling. I’m flummoxed by the amount of women I considered intelligent friends, posting rubbish about how women are actually no safer and this ruling is just anti-trans. I just don’t understand how intelligent women are coming to this conclusion.

The main argument seems to be that men will be men and will still rape and assault.

Of course they will.

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this. And this did happen, a few examples below.

They will no longer be able to enter women’s changing rooms and film teenage girls naked. They will no longer be able to enter the women’s toilets in Morrisons unchallenged and sexually assault a 10yr old girl. They will no longer be able to be housed in women’s prisons raping vulnerable women in the shower. This will all stop.

Yes, I do understand the negative impact on a few trans women and I feel for them, but why should ALL women put themselves and their daughters at risk for this tiny minority? I just don’t get it. If you’re campaigning for anything, campaign for 3rd spaces surely? But don’t campaign to allow any man the right to enter women’s spaces.

I have no issue with trans people in any way (I know a few) but I just can’t understand this argument that all women should be more at risk. Of course most trans women aren’t a threat. But men pretending to be women for access to women ARE a threat. And this ruling makes it harder for them to rape and assault us.

The amount of friends I’m seeing posting this rubbish has thrown me. I feel like I’m in an a weird alternate reality.

I can’t take seriously anyone who says they don’t understand that women are almost always able to correctly sex other people.

This is a survival strategy that has formed part of the way the oppressed sex (fenales) have attempted to keep themselves safe(r) from the oppressor sex (males) over millennia.

Men may find it harder to correctly sex someone and be easier to fool, I don’t know. It would make sense if so, as their survival hasn’t hinged on it on anything like the same way.

It won’t happen, OP. We are remarkably good at correctly sexing people. It is an evolved skill. But it is a lazy “gotcha” attempt from people who would rather allow men to self identify into our single sex spaces.

You can't really think it's safer now? So you will challenge trans people who enter the toilets, these scary people who are there to sexually assault women? A sexual predator enters the toilet and just a polite "you're not allowed in here" and off they pop.

How anyone could defend men infiltrating lesbian, menopause or breast feeding groups is beyond me. The efforts to stop women being able to have anything to ourselves is sickening. Bullying women, threatening venues etc.

Well the practice worked fine until about 10 years ago so why do you think it'll be so hard now?

Up til recently, any man in any clothes who walked into a women's single space immediately outed himself as a wrong'un. Women could appeal for help eg from bar staff or security, and those people would help.

As soon as selfID came along that went out of the window, the women were afraid of being called a bigot, so were the bar staff/ security, and the man could just claim to be trans and the bar staff/security either didn't know he wasn't allowed in anyway or has actively been trained by the likes of Stonewall that he was.

This resets us to 10 years ago. Is it 100% guarantee of safety? No. Is it an important safeguard that makes us safer than we were last week? Yes

If transwomen are women, why is it that statistically they are just as likely to commit a violent crime as men? There's virtually no difference. Shouldn't they aline with women?
Transwomen and men are 18 times more likely to commit a violent crime than women.
While transwomen are just as violent as men because they are men , women need protection from them.

Tell me, how do you tell if someone is ‘trans’?

How can we tell what someone’s internally experienced self perception is that ‘they’ are not actually an intrinsic part of their body? We can’t.

Interestingly we can, however, tell who is male, even if they are dressed like a woman. Can you? Dogs and horses verifiably can. Funny that.

So the answer is to allow any man who says he’s a woman into all our single sex spaces? That is a disproportionate reaction. It won’t kill a woman to be asked if she is in the correct toilet but women are harmed by men in our spaces, whether it’s physical or psychological.

I’ve seen two (male) friends post this today imploring us to remember “biological sex isn’t as simple as what you were taught at school” one has a PhD and is a teacher. I know fine well they know the difference between men and women but for some reason feel the need to pretend it’s all super complicated

https://education.cwu.org/course/trans-101/

I’ll confess I’m unsure and imagine it’s down to each shelter’s policy. Nevertheless, if shelter staff are concerned their new entrants is a man they can actually DO something about it - with effect, and without being called a bigot.

It will be interesting in the coming weeks to see how policy is implemented across the public and private sector re the clarified law - but I do feel safe in the knowledge that, in the case of a man attempting to infiltrate my spaces, the law IS on my side in the event of kicking him out, rather than badging me or anyone else a bigot for not wanting them there.

Like I say toilets is the thing end of the wedge. The fat end is prisons and NHS wards - both of which will have the information they need. And also right to free speech - I can call a man a man without fear of being sacked for discrimination

Why on earth would I not think it’s safer now? Did you not read the stats?

I have challenged a male in a women’s toilet before and will do so again if necessary.

I hope it isn’t necessary (it isn’t pleasant to have to do it), and that trans women will do the decent thing and realise that their presence in female single sex spaces puts women at risk, even if they themselves mean no harm. But if I do see someone, I can challenge in the knowledge I won’t be made out to be the villain. There is always the option to leave the space myself and wait for them to leave before entering, or speak to a staff member to have them removed.

Ugh tHey really can’t help but continue the gaslighting can they. We all know what biological means, and anyone who pretends otherwise is spectacularly dim

Well, you know what? That’s good for you, at least you can tell if someone is trans. Maybe you’re not the vulnerable person that can’t tell or you have no need to worry when in a pub, cinema or restaurant and nobody is watching who goes in and out of the toilets.

I doubt it happens. I’d never have the balls to confront someone directly other than “Sorry this is the ladies’” - which has happened with a few short sighted men/places with confusing signs.

I have no idea why people pretend we can’t tell men and women apart. My DS when he was about 3 used to be obsessed with describing people out loud in public. It was very embarrassing because he’d often point out people’s spots etc. but he would ALWAYS aced which sex they were even if they were wearing clothes/donned hairstyles typically worn by the opposite sex.

Well actually we could object. And now we will be listened to.

Not only do some of these people defend men infiltrating women’s things like breastfeeding groups etc but organisations like La Leche League actively persecute and sack women that object to men ‘breastfeeding’ after taking chemicals to induce ‘lactation’ with zero regard for the health of the baby.

It’s quite mind blowing how badly some people have lost their way.

I'm sick of men and their fetishes demanding to be normalised. They're not normal and they're not invading female spaces anymore. I do think this ruling will allow women to feel confident now in challenging those who are determined to push the boundaries - and they certainly will for a while.

WTF with your last para. Working class and black women look like men? Since when?

Next step will be legislation to protect men's spaces from feminists

Like we give a shit

Is there going to be new funding or restored funding for women's and children's services now? For making public places safer and amenities more accessible? If not why not?

Hopefully yes but this is a seperate issue and is not impacted by the fact men are men

Stopping rapist transwomen from being in women’s prisons will though.

Don’t be too distracted by the bathroom issue

You can’t legislate based on a random person’s school bullying experience. I’m sorry that that happened but the facts are 98% of sexual crimes are committed by men.

Did you think that before Wednesday no man ever entered a woman’s toilet to assault her if he wanted to? What makes you think more will enter after this ruling?

Men. Not cis men. Transwomen are the same bunch you’re talking about BTW

So what - what’s that got to do with the price of onions? So has Jamie Lee Curtis - it doesn’t mean men can change sex. This deflection isn’t fooling anyone

Such bad faith to be on the side of women and not centre deluded men