to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

Go check again. I did not post at 13:04

I wouldn't want to live in a world where there is no right and wrong and everyone can do what they want with no consequences.

Parker thinks she gets off because she doesn't believe. She googled to check.

I can’t be punished by an imaginary person. Last time I heard the word “punished” I was I prep school!!

Whats my punishment??

Surely she gets off because ‘he’s imaginary?

No she googled it to check. Biggest decisions of life are relegated to google.

Look at the real world - we live by rights and wrongs - it’s called being a good person. Who do you think can do exactly as they want?

You can be a good person and not follow a religion - do you accept that? Or are atheists bad?

Whereas you know everything and never need to check whether your facts are correct?

Some don’t. I’m just sharing my experience of being raised catholic with a catholic education.

Well, you don’t live in that world. That’s what laws are for. You do wrong, you face the consequences in the courts. We don’t need Jesus for that.

You can absolutely be a good person without believing in God. But where do morals come from? What is your basis for what is good and what is bad? If it's down to what you think as an individual, how does that work on a societal level?

Where do laws come from, though? Who decides what is right and wrong? The laws in this country were originally based on the 10 commandments

But God isn't an imaginary person. Someone could say they didn't believe in the police but it wouldn't mean they couldn't be arrested.

People are meant to be looking after the vulnerable. It's not God who neglects and abuses children, it's people.

You believe in god. I don’t.

So your god doesn’t help those in need?

This makes you sound really stupid

Except we can see, hear and touch the police. We can phone 999 and speak to an emergency services handler. If we commit a serious crime, they arrest us. We know people who work in the police force. We know when the forerunners of the modern police force were founded. We could apply for a job working in or for the police. No evidence whatsoever has ever existed to testify to the existence of a supposedly omniscient and omnipotent, invisible deity, or the afterlife he supposedly promises.

Humans are social creatures and our morals have evolved based on what is beneficial to our society. All societies in history have had similar rules whether they have heard of the bible or not.

How many of the 10 commandments are still laws in the UK? 2, isn't it? Anyway, do you really need a book to tell you that killing or stealing are bad? I don't think you do.

Yes, he does. But he doesn't step in and stop every single wrongdoing. People have responsibility, we aren't robots. If God stepped in and stopped every wrong thing people would have no free will and wouldn't be able to make choices. Part of being human is being able to choose.

Should surely have had a place in the commandments? It could have taken the place of the don’t worship anything else but me one couldn't it, if he wanted to keep to ten.

But why do we have the innate sense of right and wrong? Because that's how God made us. Evolution requires murder and death and yet that's not something most people are promoting. Evolution does not provide morals.

Why doesn’t your god, who supposedly sees the fall of a sparrow, not actually intervene in the creation in which he supposedly takes such a breathless interest? (Let me guess, a trite bit of huff about Free Will is about to
be trotted out.)

So what does he do then? Name one thing he has done since his creation of the world.

Jesus said the commandments are summed up as 'love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love other people as you love yourself'. That would outlaw child abuse