to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

They are only thinking short term. Everything is about enjoying life not actually contemplating on a deeper level on the purpose of their existence.

Enjoyment only gets you so far. Sometimes it hits people once they get older and ill then they start to contemplate further as life is not quite so 'enjoyable' anymore.

I’m only interested in enjoying life, not contemplating it. I’m in my mid 50’s and life continues to get better each year.

For now yes. But as you know there are no guarantees in life apart from death (now you have accepted you are not going to live for ever).

Life can change radically at any moment. Everyone can be a position when suddenly their life no longer gets better each year. It is arrogant to think otherwise.

Nobody knows how they are going to feel in 20 years let alone next week.

Why not just enjoy your life?

Why didn't he simply forgive them?

I can enjoy my life but I also contemplate the bigger picture in life.

Just following my desires and focusing on enjoyment is just short term satisfaction. This world was not created for no purpose. Everything in nature, the solar system, the trees and oceans point to the signs of a Creator.

You do you.

Erm…he did.

Loool…
who says she/he isn’t?

All religion is for the gullible and indoctrinated.

Posts are negative.

Who is atheism for?

If so, we’ll never find other life or inhabited planets as bible says we are alone. Why bother making redundant lumps of freezing rock miles off?

Yeah…I think sometimes the way someone can express discipline can appear opposed to enjoyment. First it isn’t true for the person living it is just a way to communicate ideology. One is « good » and the other is « bad » …I am not for explaining things in a negative way if they are positive.

there is more understanding and togetherness when we stop trying to be « right over » and simply say how you live it.

last post for me. Good day :)

Good for Francis. I will also never forget his kindness when he reassured a small boy whose dad had died that he would be in heaven despite not being a believer.

I’m also not looking for forgiveness from someone I don’t believe in but it was about the question “what if you’re wrong”.

I hear you but why set traps or any kind of tests (?) why not create a world & people where all is totally simple easy & life can carry on in eternal, endless, bliss? Think that was original plan & we stuffed up but then again God would have known? Jesus can influence so why not recraft & reboot with his influence post ascension?

Where does it say the bible says we are alone?

That is not the only source of knowledge.

This is such an odd post. You believe in the day of judgement therefore you believe it’s for everybody. I don’t believe therefore, as far as I’m concerned, when I die I’m gone. Dust and nothing else. I’m good with that. Had many bad things happen in my life and still never needed a religion. You’re more than welcome to believe in whatever you feel is right but you don’t get to tell people that they’re going to believe exactly what you believe as if it’s a fact.

Because everything comes at a price. You wouldn't expect to be paid and never do any work.

If you were playing a game, a simulation, where your creations had consciousness & were all powerful, why not simply create Nirvana for them? Especially if you knew they were fundamentally flawed.

I would happily work for nothing & expect nothing in return, it’s simple altruism & giving, helping others. A creator sits outside ‘our rules’ & societal constructs?

It wouldn't work if it didn't apply to everybody. It would mean then only those who believed were accountable for their actions and those who did not believe would not be held accountable.

A believer would be held accountable for lets say murder but the one who does not believe gets away with it.

There is no justice in that.

Plenty of people say there is no afterlife as a fact and have done so on this thread, They have the right to tell people that as a fact even if I do not believe it. Just like those who do believe in the afterlife have the right to say it is a fact even to those who do not believe it.

Gullible is possibly a bit harsh, but certainly religion is one of the earliest forms of control (and exploitation) of the masses. These organisations didn’t become some of the richest in the world at the time because of their altruistic and caring approach to the population!!

At a time when general understanding of the world was less, because most people were uneducated, religion helped them make sense of the world round them, and of course by intruding the notion of fear they could introduce the notion of control. The rest is history.

Religions biggest confidence trick is co-opting what are just decent human values by which most of us live our lives and calling it their belief system. They then try and tell anyone non- religious that without faith you are somehow morally deficient, and that it’s not possible to be a good person who does good things.

How do you pay for everything in life? You work and expect nothing in return? You do it just because of altruism? Then you are in a very fortunate position.

I do not work for free for my employer. I get paid on the condition I do my job.

I was brought up in a deeply religious household, very mainstream, not culty and although I don't believe now one of the things that stuck with me is how people should always try to be better. Sounds a bit vague, but I think it's about reflecting on what you do and thinking about what could be better. It doesn't mean what you did was awful ( if it wasn't something cruel or criminal) but just could it be a bit better, a bit kinder, a bit more generous maybe. Years later I did a management course which was all about continuous improvement and thought woah, bit like church then 😂 I don't believe in an afterlife because that doesn't seem likely. I suppose I believe you should go through life trying hard so when you are dying you can think, ok, didn't do too bad a job all in all.

This.

I’ve asked a few times who makes the rules that go appears to have to stick to. No-one has even tried to answer.