to not understand why Christians think Jesus died for our sins?

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If Jesus died for everyone's sins, does that mean people are not accountable for their actions? You can kill people, steal and lie but have a protected status because Jesus died for your sins.

How does this work? Why are people not responsible for their own sins? Where is the justice?

Sort of. God is there in heaven. The souls of those who have died are with Christ or not, but it’s not physical existence and it’s not in time the way that we are. The new creation (heaven) and hell will be physical, when we are resurrected to eternal life. Christ’s resurrection, which is what we celebrate today, is the promise of what we will all experience on that day.

Whatever you believe in? Like, if you believe that there is nothing after death - then, probably, this is what you are going to get?

And that's before you get started on the Book of Revelation, which can be quite a bit harder to interpret and understand, with a lot of symbolism. This also mentions the Tribulation, a time of worldwide chaos and persecution of Christians at the end of time. Theologians differ on whether the texts are saying this will happen before the Rapture (when living Christians will be removed from the Earth), or after, or kind of both / in the middle.

@switcheroooo, those verses are very good ones to help understand it. One day, Christ will return in a very different way from how he came the first time. Everyone will recognise that he is God, and will be subject to his judgment on everything we have ever said or done or thought. Sounds terrifying, right? And it will be, except for those who can look at Christ and know that he is their saviour as well as their judge.

That’s the main reason Christians want to tell other people about their faith, to warn them of danger and show them how to escape it. If people don’t want to hear it and don’t want to believe, that’s up to them. But if we don’t even tell people, that’s on us.

There is absolutely no evidence or logic to support this view. If there is nothing after death, it is much more logical to assume that is true for all of us.

Are you saying Jesus will be judging people not God?

Will Jesus not be the saviour to those who do not believe in Christianity? What if people believe in God but not the version you believe in? They have lived good lives - what will be their outcome?

I think you decide yourself what you believe in. How is that is not logical?

Jesus is God.

He will judge completely justly, with all the evidence and no one will be judged unjustly. He knows our hearts, not just outward appearances. He knows our circumstances and opportunities. We will not be able to say it is unfair.

We know that he has promised to save all who trust in God. We also know that you can trust God without precisely knowing all about Jesus, like the people in the Old Testament. But we also know that our idea of ‘good’ is never perfectly good. So, I can’t possibly tell you what will happen to everyone. Some people will be saved and some won’t. But the only way to be certain is to know and trust Christ as saviour and Lord.

Of course. But it is not logical to assume that those beliefs are all true, or that they all come true for us on death.

It is much more logical to assume that when people believe different things, one or more of them is wrong.

I think the problem here is people forget that religion is not a science/ evidence based thing. Its based of faith and faith alone. Either you believe, or you dont believe? Its not compulsory, and you decide for yourself what you chose to accept.

But there is no way of testing this, right? At least for now. So its basically based on faith.

Jesus died of apoplexy after receiving an email about Easter from Brora.

Personally, I don't think belief is black and white. A lot of us fall somewhere inbetween.

Of course. The point is just that not all faiths can be correct because they are contradictory. And although you can choose what to believe (though there is plenty of relevant evidence to bear in mind), that doesn’t determine what will actually happen.

Also, we could assume that reality after death can be different. We can assume, for example, for those who believe in afterlife, it exist. And for those who dont, it doesn't.

Like I said, why cant it be that your faith actually determines what happens to you in the afterlife?

If Jesus is God, why did he die? Surely God would never die.

But being a Christian requires a certain believes: that there is a Trinity and that Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected. You cant be a Christian if you dont believe in these main postulates. There is not "in-between" regarding these.

To begin to understand any religion, you should really be approaching your local priest, rabbi, imam, lama, swami, shaman, etc. Mumsnet AIBU isn’t the place to learn.

I’ll pass thanks.

I guess it could, but it doesn’t work that way for anything else. People can believe that the earth is flat, but that doesn’t stop it being round. Facts aren’t generally affected by whether we believe them. So I would find it really hard to understand how what happens when we die is determined by what we believed when we were alive. What if you have believed several different things - which one would come true?

Because that is how much he loves us.

But also, that hits on one of the most complicated parts of Christian theology. Jesus is fully, completely God, but also fully, properly human. He died in his human nature. God did not die.

Because, as I said previously, religion is not based on the fact, but on FAITH. Its up to you if you chose to believe or not, there are no facts or proofs...It would have been easy and simple if there were?..

Does this answer OP's question?
I'm sorry you have this experience in your family but it seems a bit random to post about it on this thread?

Is it?
What if one person believed they’d be born as royalty and live a rich life to 96 and another that they’d be born in a tent and killed by a bomb within hours…

If entry into this life can be different for every human, then why can’t death and the afterlife be different for every human?

We can all believe different things and all be right. What is or will be true for one, can indeed only be true for that one.