Another mosley cashing in

[Sickofitandmore]

Partnered with the Daily mail as usual. Michael Mosleys son is taking over the task of cashing in on people's weight struggles. So now instead of being plagued with his late df's money extracting diet plans, we are going to be subjected to Jack Mosley's take on weight loss drugs. Such blatant jumping on the band wagon to squeeze some money out. People are losing lots of weight with the weight loss jabs and no longer need to pay people to give them another faddy diet plan. WW has felt it, SW will hopefully be next and when will the Mosleys just bugger off?!

But he's not recommending 'all the faddy diets' is he? He's recommending one particular approach.

It's completely possible to feel an authentic responsibility to draw attention to information that will help others, AND to get paid for the time and effort it takes to do so.

Confusing Max Mosley and Michael Mosley makes this thread a very confusing read.

or borrow them from a library for even less.

Most people come to WLI because WW, fasting etc hasn’t actually worked for them and, as in my case, I found that combining low carb with 18/6 not only helped me lose 6.5st with WLI, but has ensured I’ve kept if off for a year. I didn’t buy any of the Fast diet books or subscribe. Just watched the interviews or TV programmes or researched on line.

So no, I don’t think the Moseleys (the wife was involved all along, btw) or anyone else should ‘just go away’. If any of these systems helps someone manage their weight/weight loss and find a path to a healthier lifestyle, it’s all well and good as far I’m concerned.

WLI are messing with the person's natural biology big time.

The medication mimics naturally occurring gut hormones, and acts as a sort of boost to what your gut should be doing normally if you ate a healthy diet. I think of it as a tool, along with a healthy diet and more exercise, to reboot your gut/brain into working as it should.
If you can use it whilst eating healthily and exercising and in-bed those habits for the long term, then you will have far less issues when you stop taking it, because eating healthily and exercising are natural ways of increasing these gut hormones.

Nasty thread. He's actually helping people and taking pride and comfort in continuing his father's work.

From what I have read, Michael Mosley’s son is saying that the injections are really just best for those who are very obese and have associated health issues/metabolic syndrome. That others should pause for more thought before jumping in. That seems reasonable. Whether on the drugs or not people need to know about nutrition. I think you are being harsh.

Remember once someone becomes well known then other people like publishers have vested interests and input into decisions, and not working with them could compromise someone’s profile and influence. So they might well decide that for the greater good they co operate with the others to some extent.

See I don't understand. The jab takes away the hunger feelings to the point that some people are losing too much weight (some celebrities for ex). You literally need to remind yourself to eat and when you do eat you feel filled up very quickly. How is it then an effort? I'm all for the jabs for obesity but it's not an effort not overeating when on them because you're not feeling hungry.

Excellent 🖕

I liked Fast 800, I still use that when I need to. I don't see the need for your post, OP, you don't need to read or pay for anything that any Mosley or anybody else publishes.

I'd rather not constantly hear about weight loss injections constantly, it's sounding more and more like a cult. You like them? Perfect - there's a board for that. You deserve the comments that you've had here because your first post was nasty for the sake of it.

WW and SW has been successful for many years, once the service users stop following the process, they regain.
My Dsis lost 4 stone with SW. She never regained as her smaller appetite stuck, she eats smaller amounts comfortably.
WLI aren't all that.
My DH lost a little but not much to tolerate the constipation, sick feeling.
If anything it is causing him more stress. He is still always hungry 6 months in.

I don't think we are overrun by members of this family.

See I don't understand. The jab takes away the hunger feelings to the point that some people are losing too much weight (some celebrities for ex). You literally need to remind yourself to eat and when you do eat you feel filled up very quickly. How is it then an effort? I'm all for the jabs for obesity but it's not an effort not overeating when on them because you're not feeling hungry.

I suppose some people are taking them when they perhaps shouldn't be or are not taking them as prescribed ? The effort part comes from ensuring you get adequate nutrition and increasing your exercise levels, which I am fairly sure all licensed providers recommend ?

I agree. Also, I have always had to bite my tongue and roll my eyes when people refer to MM putting forward something and how he has researched it! He never carried out real scientific research and I doubt his son will either. He may have been a nice bloke as people say, I don’t know, but it always grated on me that he described himself as a doctor. In my opinion, that misleaded people as he qualified 40 years ago and only worked very briefly in psychiatry. He had no experience in medicine after that and none in research. His advice was always based on his own anecdotal experience.

His advice was always based on his own anecdotal experience.

That simply isn't true.

He adapted things as not every plan works for everyone and not every plan is enjoyable for everyone there is no single solution and MM always made this clear. Why are you so peculiarly hostile. His plans were based on research both his own and in conjunction with other researchers and many thousands of people benefitted.

he’s a REALLY strange person to target as he didn’t swindle anyone nor peddle false information. He provided information. And yes he earned his income from it. Are you suggesting anyone who provides information in a viewer friendly way should not be allowed to do this as a job?

do you begrudge journalists and news presenters and radio host, lecturers, publishers of books, authors, public speakers, speech writers etc all are bad for doing these things as jobs?

why are you so bitter. It’s frankly weird. And yes his son may well take up the mantle. And so what. If he’s good he will succeed if he’s crap he will fall by the wayside. Just like other authors, presenters, entertainers and educators do. He has an advantage by having an immediate audience. But do do millions of other people in the world.
why do you have such a strangely aggressive vendetta against his family.

got an opinion on Sophie Ellis Bextor as well @Sickofitandmore

For the last decade populists - Trump, Farage etc - have made concerted efforts to discredit the very idea of expertise, or specialist knowledge, or analytical thinking - even the very idea of 'information'.

They want to make it harder for their audience to come into contact with the facts which would reveal their lies. Their success depends on triggering people's emotions - fear, rage etc.

This OP is a perfect example of how successful they've been.

that presumes that every single person eats only because they are hungry - ever heard of emotional eating?

He would constantly adapt and bend it to whatever the trend was

Or maybe use more up to date scientific evidence?

Probably much less likely to attract the ire of Sickofitandmore. 😂

Partnering with the Daily Mail most likely reached a much bigger audience than his work would have met any other way.

I think it’s great his son is carrying on his legacy. I loved a lot of his Dad’s stuff. He never claimed to have done all the research but he did put himself through some of it.

Get over yourself, your post is most unpleasant.

He qualified as a Doctor - even if he chose not to practice - presumably seven or so years at medical school equips someone with above average knowledge/skill to review and present that research in a responsible way?

@Sickofitandmore It's almost as though you don't understand that humans are complex creatures and what might work well for one person, doesn't work for another, for a whole host of reasons. Mosley offered one solution which he then tweaked as new research became available and he was able to work with more people who's actual expertise is in this field.
Everyone recognises that every weight loss solution only works for as long as the person doing it continues to modify their diet and exercises. If you use the injections and then stop and return to eating a diet high in processed carbs and sugar, you will see an increase in your appetite, your blood sugars and your weight.

I use intermittent fasting and WLI. The intermittent fasting is not for weight loss, it’s for sleep and my gut health and making sure that my inflammation is lowered as far as possible.

Intermittent fasting is amazing for the body. I wish it had weight loss effects on me but unfortunately I need the injections to be able to eat less than a thousand calories (1000 calories is maintenance for me, NOT able to lose weight on it as need to be at 800 for weight loss)