Another mosley cashing in

[Sickofitandmore]

Partnered with the Daily mail as usual. Michael Mosleys son is taking over the task of cashing in on people's weight struggles. So now instead of being plagued with his late df's money extracting diet plans, we are going to be subjected to Jack Mosley's take on weight loss drugs. Such blatant jumping on the band wagon to squeeze some money out. People are losing lots of weight with the weight loss jabs and no longer need to pay people to give them another faddy diet plan. WW has felt it, SW will hopefully be next and when will the Mosleys just bugger off?!

U think weight loss drugs are not a brand and making money.

That how scientific research works.

This thread is horrible. What’s wrong with you OP?

There's plenty of people who will prefer a diet to WLIs! WLIs are expensive, not natural, and we still don't know if they are safe. Bad diets cause weight gain, so the most sensible thing is to improve your diet to lose weight.

Rapid weight loss not only means you're losing fat, you're also losing muscle and bone mass

The bone mass loss is a big concern, especially for older women who I imagine are the largest group taking WLI.

Fully agree.

Well aren't you vile.

Not all of us want WLIs. Great if they work for you. I borrowed MMs book from the library a few years back and tried IF. I lost a significant amount of weight and my periods became more regular, then I fell pregnant after nearly 10 years of infertility.

They obviously make it a hell of a lot easier though, otherwise what's the point?

Personally I only really know MM from his podcasts, most of which aren't about weight loss and are free to listen to. I've never read the books because they're of no interest to me. Maybe you could use the same approach to his son.

So what? Every single medication, for anything, can have side effects. Name me one drug that doesn't have instruction leaflet listing possible side effects. Doesn't mean they are dangerous and shouldn't be used, does it? For goodness sake, these injections have been licenced for use for diabetes for years now via the NHS- where are the hordes of diabetics complaining of how dreadfully unsafe they are, and all the horrible side effects?
Yes, weight loss drugs CAN have side effects, more likely when you first start taking them, and when you increase the dosage. Some people will have no side effects, some will have many. All of them usually disappear. They will be worse if you don't take them according to instructions, and all of this is NO DIFFERENT to any other drug.
There are millions of drugs in use out there, and people stop taking perfectly safe medication all the time because of side effects they can't tolerate. Two randoms telling you they stopped weight loss injections because of side effects has no bearing on how safe they are and whether anyone else should use them.

Seems a lot of animosity towards the Mosely family. I always liked his father's approach. He was a doctor who took a scientific approach to weight loss. He always tried things out himself too. He had a good prescence on tv and I quite enjoyed his programs.
So, what if his son is carrying on with it? He's a doctor himself and there are plenty of people who will appreciate what he has to offer.
Of is this just another way of starting a WLI bashing thread? Because like it or not 100s of thousands of people are taking them and they're not going away.

A doctor or a graduate in medicine like Michael Mosley will be able to understand the research in a way that an influencer with no medical knowledge can't. Surely that's obvious.

So you don't like the Mosleys. Fair enough. But that doesn't make their health comms worthless.

Sound healthy eating principles based on science aren't 'faddy' or 'mumbo jumbo'. You might feel frustrated that you couldn't stick to them (no judgement, changing eating habits can be hard), but that's your personal experience, and not down to the uselessness of the principles themselves.

As for Mosley's (dad or son) books etc being based on the work and research of others, don't you realise that's how popular science works? Scientists at the research end make the discoveries, then that information is picked up by medics, journalists and other medical commentators and brought to a wider audience, by making those complex concepts understandable and engaging for people without a scientific background. Don't know how you expect most people to have the time or access to ferret out medical research papers on their own. Mosley credited his sources, as you acknowledge, and those scientists were very happy to endorse the way he brought that knowledge to a much wider audience.

TBH, can think of few industries that are more about 'cashing in' than Big Pharma, which is making untold gazillions from GLP-1 weightloss drugs. Their shares have absolutely soared since they've launched these products. They're scarcely charitable enterprises.

Do you not think these weight loss injections and "maintance," injections are money making schemes.

And yes, people can get them without prescription, a local beautician is selling them
Yes, and people used to be able to have an abortion done by some woman with a dirty knitting needle in her back kitchen, but we all know that's not right either and is highly likely to make people very ill. This is exactly the same.
The only safe and legal way to get weight loss injections is to have them via prescription. That beautician is breaking the law, and more fool anyone buying them from her. You've no idea what is in them, they could be fake and very dangerous. And it has no bearing on how safe these drugs are when obtained and used properly.

Why are you so bothered? You sound very upset over something that shouldn’t be bothering you.

@Sickofitandmore I get it. To be fair I guess at least Jack is a doctor and is possibly being helpful to some.

But yes, it does seem avaricious when I've no doubt he and his family have more than enough money. Maybe he's doing it also for an ego boosting also? I've no idea.

And no - I don't think you're being vicious or vile for having an opinion 🙄

Folk are so over the top about everything now!!

Yes, that was my point...

I think it’s far more beneficial to lose weight by diet and exercise alone.

Injections don’t deal with the underlying issues that caused the problem.

Why do you hate people you don’t know so much? Strange.

There are plenty of people who can't afford or don't agree with WLI. Or it makes them sick so they have to stop using it. It will never replace people selling diet plans or nutritional advice. If you don't like the Mosleys just ignore them.

You'd refer to a diabetic "jacking up" would you? Or do you reserve that for fatties?

I think a lot of posters here don't understand that the new Mosley book is IN FAVOUR if the injections and is all about how to maximise your chance of healthy weight loss whilst taking them. It's designed to be followed IN CONJUNCTION with the jabs, not instead of them. A lot of people here so desperate fir another excuse to pile on to the anti WLI bandwagon that they haven't grasped this.

Having said that, OP I think you're being unreasonable. I'm on the jabs and taking care to follow a healthy diet etc but some people aren't and there is a clear gap in the market for a diet book to help people to take the injections in the healthiest way. Someone has to fill it, why not a qualified doctor?

Jack is a GP trainee. not simply his son

In Food Noise, he explains the science behind the diabetes and weight-loss drugs and suggests what to eat while using them, to maintain good nutrition and retain muscle mass, along with what to do to keep the weight off using recipes and meal plans after stopping the medication.

Sounds sensible to me, especially as most of the people I know taking them are not getting them via the NHS, so don't have this sort of dedicated advice ?

This is also where I drew the line.

I've followed the 800 diet plan and there some really lovely recipes in the books, I also get the newsletters which have recipes on too. I have 3 of the recipe books. I found this fairly easy to follow and could adjust the recipes to accommodate the rest of the family so as not to be cooking lots of different meals, I can cook these then add extra carbs for them.

I will admit that I felt disappointed when they started promoting the milkshakes, it was like Michael of all people should have known better as it was these types of diet products that caused issues for lots of us. Replacement shakes are the worst and certainly not true the Mediterranean Diet that MM has previously promoted so much.

You don’t need any will power for the injections. That’s the whole point of them.