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Should the police be arresting people carrying placards that encourage the hanging, burning or mutilating of Terfs ie women ??

109 replies

loveyouradvice · 19/04/2025 23:22

I thought that there were limits to what we could advocate... and that people carrying anti-semite placards (for example) in the Pro Palestine marches were arrested?

Surely there must be some protection from the incitement of violence that is happening on these trans rights marches?

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HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 20/04/2025 10:52

They’re just a different face of the Andrew Tate incel mob.

Whooowhooohoo · 20/04/2025 11:08

Ilovetowander · 20/04/2025 08:02

Absolutely the police should be acting, the appalling vandalism shown yesterday is unacceptable and illustrates I hope to everyone the aggressive nature of this group. They have silenced the majority with their phobic, bullying and discriminatory allegations which is ironic as they are the ones bullying and denying others their viewpoint.

Just build third gender neutral toilets for those that want to use them.

Rather money spent on “everyone else” change rooms and toilets than on endless legal battles where lawyers try to change facts about what defines a female human: Chromosomes, not lack of penis.

Kay2000 · 20/04/2025 11:36

I’ve been involved with this issue for a few years now and have seen numerous incidents of violence and aggression towards women completely ignored by the police, who have been brainwashed by Stonewall. I think this is the most dangerous period, they’re very angry at having what they think are rights taken away, as they’re too stupid to realise, or have been misinformed that those rights were never theirs in the first place. I have a small degree of sympathy for the original “transsexuals” trying to get on quietly in the life they’ve had for 30 years. However I don’t see any of them calling for the end of violence towards women, or the end of dragging children into what has become effectively a cult. The “trans community” brought this on themselves, not by campaigning for trans rights and trans spaces, but demanding and getting self-id and women’s rights for themselves (and vice versa for trans identifying women, who did not exist 30 years ago).

For anyone new to this issue, I recommend Trans by Helen Joyce, who explains how we’ve got to this point.

BiologicalRobot · 20/04/2025 12:05

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 20/04/2025 10:27

Have you considered the logistics here?

you know the police and courts are massively underfunded and have huge backlogs.

so to arrest, process, charge, file to the cps and bring to court every single one of these placard holders, and fast track them past existing cases would mean they go in front of rape, murder, stalking, robbery etc.

fairly sure Keir as a barrister will be aware of this.

it may have been done for the riots but that was nowhere near the scale, plus it did result in real violence.

to prosecute these people you’d have to prove they actually intended to do what their placards say, or to persuade other people to do so. That bar is going to be a high one.

so as I said leave them be, in public, showing what kind of person they are and what women are facing. The hypocrisy of them being allowed free speech yet threatening women who dare to exercise the same rights. Start arresting them for them to be nfa’d and it’ll just make them into martyrs.

there was a thing a while ago, can’t remember the cause, but the aim was to get themselves all arrested, clog up the police and the courts, and then take to social media when they were inevitably released, with “see, we’re just being harassed and unjustly accused”

Starmer managed it for the rioters/instigators. He even released prisoners early to make room for them.

The police managed to send EIGHT officers to a couple based on a WhatsApp moan about their dcs school.

They arrest people over Internet posts saying TW are not women.

They have the manpower and resources and the will when they want. They just don't want to.

ImConfusedDotComHelp · 20/04/2025 17:14

Does anyone know if any arrests were made by the carriers of hate filled signs?

ImConfusedDotComHelp · 20/04/2025 17:16

The Metropolitan Police said it had launched an investigation after several statues were vandalised and it was investigating the incidents as criminal damage.

Chief Superintendent Stuart Bell said it was "very disappointing to see damage to seven statues and property in the vicinity of the protest", adding: "We support the public's right to protest but criminality like this is completely unacceptable.

"We are now investigating this criminal damage and urge anyone with any information to come forward."

Let's hope someone provides evidence or are those protesters happy with crime committed in their names?

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/04/2025 17:26

Silvertulips · 19/04/2025 23:24

You would think so but it's misogyny innit and women count for nothing it seems

So why do so many men what to be one?

I think they want to be a sort of parody of a woman. Pictures show ridiculous costumes, fishnets, short skirts, pigtails, pantomime dame. Not real women at all in their everyday jeans and jumpers.

Withoutfearorfavour · 20/04/2025 17:29

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/04/2025 17:26

I think they want to be a sort of parody of a woman. Pictures show ridiculous costumes, fishnets, short skirts, pigtails, pantomime dame. Not real women at all in their everyday jeans and jumpers.

Isn’t that a transvestite not a transsexual?

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/04/2025 17:34

Withoutfearorfavour · 20/04/2025 17:29

Isn’t that a transvestite not a transsexual?

Probably but the term seems to have fallen out of use. Eddie Izzard used to describe himself as a transvestite, I don't think he does now.

DriveMeCrazyRoadRage · 20/04/2025 17:47

Silvertulips · 19/04/2025 23:24

You would think so but it's misogyny innit and women count for nothing it seems

So why do so many men what to be one?

Because they like wearing skirts, heels and makeup, and think that's what being a woman is. Quite bizarre as I don't know many women that fit this stereotype

BeingScouseIsMySuperpower · 20/04/2025 17:47

Oh look, trans protestors bring threatening, destroying property and threatening to kill.

So, basically acting like men who haven’t got what they want from women.

DriveMeCrazyRoadRage · 20/04/2025 17:50

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/04/2025 17:34

Probably but the term seems to have fallen out of use. Eddie Izzard used to describe himself as a transvestite, I don't think he does now.

I quite like Eddie. Am.i right in thinking he's never claimed to be an actual woman though? As far as I can tell he is clear that he's a man that likes to wear drag and call himself Suzie. All.od which is absolutely fine in my book! I don't think he looks like a woman or actually asks to use the women's toilets or expects men who identify as women to compete against women in elite sports. He seems sensible to me. Hope I'm not wrong about him/her.

KimberleyClark · 20/04/2025 17:53

DriveMeCrazyRoadRage · 20/04/2025 17:50

I quite like Eddie. Am.i right in thinking he's never claimed to be an actual woman though? As far as I can tell he is clear that he's a man that likes to wear drag and call himself Suzie. All.od which is absolutely fine in my book! I don't think he looks like a woman or actually asks to use the women's toilets or expects men who identify as women to compete against women in elite sports. He seems sensible to me. Hope I'm not wrong about him/her.

I don’t think Grayson Perry has ever actually claimed to be a woman either.

Felinnefine · 20/04/2025 18:00

Perhaps some of these sweet lovely transwomen / men were there today. Helping with the placard designs.

Or perhaps the sentiments on the placards come naturally to these people. It’s very similar to male pattern violence.

Oh. Oh yes. They are mostly males. God knows how / why any women are there. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that.

https://terfisaslur.com/

TERF is a slur

Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

https://terfisaslur.com

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/04/2025 18:06

DriveMeCrazyRoadRage · 20/04/2025 17:50

I quite like Eddie. Am.i right in thinking he's never claimed to be an actual woman though? As far as I can tell he is clear that he's a man that likes to wear drag and call himself Suzie. All.od which is absolutely fine in my book! I don't think he looks like a woman or actually asks to use the women's toilets or expects men who identify as women to compete against women in elite sports. He seems sensible to me. Hope I'm not wrong about him/her.

Don't get me wrong, I thought Eddie was great and really funny. Here's the headline 'Eddie Izzard gives an update after revealing she’s changing her name to ‘Suzy’'
Don't know if it's allowed but here's a picture of him queuing in the womens toilets.

andtheworldrollson · 20/04/2025 18:14

Police appealing for anyone with photos of whoever vandalised the statues , and I think people with nasty banners who may be yet be arrested ( sorry if I am repeating others )

MoistVonL · 20/04/2025 18:27

KimberleyClark · 20/04/2025 17:53

I don’t think Grayson Perry has ever actually claimed to be a woman either.

Eddie absolutely does use women’s toilets. And muses about being a lesbian. He can get in the sea with all that.

”Total Clothing rights” and “they’re not women’s clothes, they’re mine” was all a long, long time ago.

Edit - sorry, that was meant to be to @DriveMeCrazyRoadRage, not quoting Kimberley

OctopusFriend · 20/04/2025 18:43

I had to laugh at the protest in our town centre, though - some of them had Palestinian flags and banners 😂!
Talk about stupid. How long do they think a trans person would survive in Palestine? Absolutely deluded.

BiologicalRobot · 20/04/2025 18:50

DriveMeCrazyRoadRage · 20/04/2025 17:50

I quite like Eddie. Am.i right in thinking he's never claimed to be an actual woman though? As far as I can tell he is clear that he's a man that likes to wear drag and call himself Suzie. All.od which is absolutely fine in my book! I don't think he looks like a woman or actually asks to use the women's toilets or expects men who identify as women to compete against women in elite sports. He seems sensible to me. Hope I'm not wrong about him/her.

He does use womens toilets. Feels entitled to use them and abuses women who point out he should be in the mens, you might find a thread or two here if you do an advanced search.

He is also genderfluid where he goes between boy mode and girl mode depending on what sex he feels that day.

How he used to be is not how he is now and iirc he was very tra when he was campaigning to be a Labour candidate.

ImConfusedDotComHelp · 20/04/2025 18:51

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 20/04/2025 10:52

They’re just a different face of the Andrew Tate incel mob.

Feels like that seeing some of the placards on the trans march. Very violent to women. Awful

Kindersurprising · 20/04/2025 18:58

Silvertulips · 19/04/2025 23:24

You would think so but it's misogyny innit and women count for nothing it seems

So why do so many men what to be one?

It’s not about becoming us, it’s about taking from us.

Keirawr · 20/04/2025 19:06

If you want the police to do something, watch someone misgender someone on X, the police will be around to arrest them for a non crime hate incident faster than you can say pronouns.

This is why the public has started to mistrust these useless morons who go around pretending to uphold the law.

They are too useless and lazy to solve real crimes. That’s why they are too busy pissing about with non issues.

TheCatsTongue · 20/04/2025 19:10

Withoutfearorfavour · 20/04/2025 17:29

Isn’t that a transvestite not a transsexual?

They are both trans or transgender.

The term is deliberately ambiguous to include all gender nonconformity.

NotmeMother · 20/04/2025 19:12

There's a post on X from the Met Police asking for witnesses and information as 7 statues were defaced on Saturday 19th April.