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To be sick of dogs in cafes/restaurants etc

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Dreamingi · 19/04/2025 18:07

Just this really
obviously not service dogs

but why all of a sudden is it ok for dogs to be allowed places where others are eating?!?

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NamechangeJunebaby · 20/04/2025 19:58

CamillaMacauley · 20/04/2025 07:22

I genuinely don’t understand the “it’s cruel to dogs “ argument. My dog is fine being in cafes, she would rather be out with me than home alone. She manages at home when there’s food about so I don’t see the difference between there being food at home and food in a cafe? She knows she’s not entitled to either. If she’s in a cafe with me it tends to be because we’ve just been on a dog walk or we’re on holiday. So a sitter isn’t exactly an option.

I have a dog walker if I need to work in the office rather than wfh but she doesn’t do weekends, never found one that does. There aren’t dog sitters round here which you can book like a baby sitter . So not sure what else I could do. I’m not putting my dog in kennels when we’re on a dog friendly holiday in the uk just so I can pop in a cafe for an hour. She really wouldn’t like that.

Exactly this - and when it’s a weekend and my only time off work I like to spend it with mine. So if I’m off to garden centre we’ll walk there (it’s about five miles through countryside( and have a mosey about, they’ve a good pet bit in there too so I can pick up extra treats.

Id never leave her tied up anywhere. Like I’d never take her somewhere busy where it’d be stressful for her, she always seems to enjoy it, but I’ve friends whose dogs weren’t well socialised as puppies and they can’t go anywhere with them. I made the effort with obedience and socialisation classes so that she could be a proper part of my family. Not just an animal that gets left at home or tied up outside a shop (which I think is irresponsible - if you have a dog you’re responsible for them which happens under supervision, not leaving them alone outside). I’m lucky my local corner shop is dog friendly so we can pop in for snacks or milk on the way back from a walk.

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 20:13

FastFood · 20/04/2025 19:54

Each time this topic comes up I imagine A Hieronymus- Bosch-like scene, where a hord of bloodthirsty dogs poo and pee everywhere in coffee-shop, some of them are on the tables eating food, others eat little children whilst a lot of people are screaming in the background.

in real life, I go everyday to my local coffee shop, with my dog (shudder), there's always a lot of dogs and except for the odd bark now and then, everything goes perfectly well, no poop, no pee, no mayhem.

each time this topic comes up,doggy woggy parents anthropomorphise their dog comparing dog behaviour to human children. Always comparing human children unfavourably to dogs. Humans we are told are unsanitary and lick each other and their plates. We are asked , So what is the difference that dogs lick themselves and their plates. Then regaled with stories of feral children in retail & restaurants whilst the well behaved and compliant dog looks on

Irish24 · 20/04/2025 20:19

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 20:13

each time this topic comes up,doggy woggy parents anthropomorphise their dog comparing dog behaviour to human children. Always comparing human children unfavourably to dogs. Humans we are told are unsanitary and lick each other and their plates. We are asked , So what is the difference that dogs lick themselves and their plates. Then regaled with stories of feral children in retail & restaurants whilst the well behaved and compliant dog looks on

Totally agree and I find it very concerning that some people choose to be more protective over dogs than human children

NamechangeJunebaby · 20/04/2025 20:28

Irish24 · 20/04/2025 16:29

Shouldn’t be allowed but I’ve a feeling people are now afraid to confront dog owners because of the abuse they get so they just say nothing

Wickes are dog friendly. Says so on a quick google search.

Airspice · 20/04/2025 20:34

Absolutely! The other day a dog owning friend posted a photo of a meet up she had with other dog owners, they all went for a pub lunch and there’s a lovely photo of all 5 dogs sat in the pub, on the chairs, with paws on the table…..ah how cute…..NO it’s not cute, humans sit on those chairs and eat off that table, totally gross. Dog owners are oblivious to this being wrong!

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 20/04/2025 20:37

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 20:13

each time this topic comes up,doggy woggy parents anthropomorphise their dog comparing dog behaviour to human children. Always comparing human children unfavourably to dogs. Humans we are told are unsanitary and lick each other and their plates. We are asked , So what is the difference that dogs lick themselves and their plates. Then regaled with stories of feral children in retail & restaurants whilst the well behaved and compliant dog looks on

No one said humans licked their plates. We said they use the cutlery that you then use, having definitely had their mouths on other humans.

So what is the difference between a dog licked plate and a fork that's been in a humans mouth, if both go through a hot wash in a dishwasher? Knowing where all the tongues have been?

FearistheMindKillerr · 20/04/2025 20:38

It’s really not surprising. English people have always preferred their pets to their children.

They think nothing of 1,000s of young girls being groomed and raped by gangs up and down the country. But once they start coming for dogs and barring them from public spaces on account of their impurity, THAT’S when a stand will be made.

ThatRareHazelTiger · 20/04/2025 20:49

Absolutely 100% agree. It is all of sudden everywhere and even John Lewis lets dogs in. Why?? Yuk, dogs dribbling near food and clothes. There is also an increase in dog attacks, therefore I really don’t understand the increased authorisation of them in public places. Surely it should be the opposite! My kids also have phobias which makes it uncomfortable and difficult.

Reflectionsreflections · 20/04/2025 20:51

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 20:13

each time this topic comes up,doggy woggy parents anthropomorphise their dog comparing dog behaviour to human children. Always comparing human children unfavourably to dogs. Humans we are told are unsanitary and lick each other and their plates. We are asked , So what is the difference that dogs lick themselves and their plates. Then regaled with stories of feral children in retail & restaurants whilst the well behaved and compliant dog looks on

And yet, every single parent I know talks about the bugs their dc bring home from school or nursery? The passing on of coughs, colds, chicken pox and sickness bugs seems to be common place? Indeed, there are a lot of thread on here from parents whose child has vomited before a party and the consensus seems to be, it’s extremely contagious, so stay at home? How strange if children are so “hygienic”?
In contrast, I have had multiple dogs for many decades. They even occasionally (please, get your pearls ready to clutch) lick plates in my house, which then go straight in the dishwasher. I, strangely enough, rarely get any kind of bug and the last time I had D&V was 10 years ago, in India. Without my dogs, obviously. How very odd….

August1980 · 20/04/2025 20:55

Tootiredtowhat · 19/04/2025 18:08

Yawn. Just comment on one of the other threads moaning about this.

My thoughts too.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 20/04/2025 20:56

Reflectionsreflections · 20/04/2025 20:51

And yet, every single parent I know talks about the bugs their dc bring home from school or nursery? The passing on of coughs, colds, chicken pox and sickness bugs seems to be common place? Indeed, there are a lot of thread on here from parents whose child has vomited before a party and the consensus seems to be, it’s extremely contagious, so stay at home? How strange if children are so “hygienic”?
In contrast, I have had multiple dogs for many decades. They even occasionally (please, get your pearls ready to clutch) lick plates in my house, which then go straight in the dishwasher. I, strangely enough, rarely get any kind of bug and the last time I had D&V was 10 years ago, in India. Without my dogs, obviously. How very odd….

I have a dog and a child. I can confirm I have gotten ill because of the child SO OFTEN and because of the dog....never.

Children are germ factories. And they shove their hands and feet (and faces occasionally) into everything.

Dog is well trained. She's very chilled. Child is very well behaved considering she's 3. So far everything points to her turning into a decent human but we've a way to go yet. But she definitely makes me ill more than any dog I've ever had.

fetchacloth · 20/04/2025 20:56

I don't mind dogs at all if they're well behaved and stay with their owners and they usually do that.

GoodLaudanum · 20/04/2025 21:05

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 20/04/2025 20:37

No one said humans licked their plates. We said they use the cutlery that you then use, having definitely had their mouths on other humans.

So what is the difference between a dog licked plate and a fork that's been in a humans mouth, if both go through a hot wash in a dishwasher? Knowing where all the tongues have been?

Well most humans tongues have not just recently been licking their own arse

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 21:06

Reflectionsreflections · 20/04/2025 20:51

And yet, every single parent I know talks about the bugs their dc bring home from school or nursery? The passing on of coughs, colds, chicken pox and sickness bugs seems to be common place? Indeed, there are a lot of thread on here from parents whose child has vomited before a party and the consensus seems to be, it’s extremely contagious, so stay at home? How strange if children are so “hygienic”?
In contrast, I have had multiple dogs for many decades. They even occasionally (please, get your pearls ready to clutch) lick plates in my house, which then go straight in the dishwasher. I, strangely enough, rarely get any kind of bug and the last time I had D&V was 10 years ago, in India. Without my dogs, obviously. How very odd….

utter gibberish
do you understand that transmission of virus,illness is applicable for both dog and human. Both get humans and dogs get ill. Hence we have vets and doctors

Dogs get norovirus, Canine Infectious Respiratory Disease Complex,influenza ,diarrhoea. . Dogs aren’t in any way four legged aseptic waggy tail companions immune from illness or disease .

Finally Your purported physical hardiness, It’s literally unrelated to this thread

MsAdoraBelleDearheartVonLipwig · 20/04/2025 21:17

I think the previous point was that dog illnesses aren’t usually transmissible to people. Whereas kids continuously transmit germs between themselves and then give them to everyone else.

We sometimes take our dog with us when we go out to eat. We recently stayed in a lovely dog friendly pub. Our dog stayed under the table in the dog friendly end of the restaurant and nobody knew he was there, he was so quiet and well behaved. But then he’s well bred and I’ve spent years training him.

I absolutely do not agree with dragging dogs round busy shopping malls and town centres. It is completely inappropriate and unsuitable for dogs. Crowds are overwhelming and dogs get trodden on, kicked, harassed by kids etc, not to mention having to walk miles on hot concrete. It’s ridiculous.

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 21:20

MsAdoraBelleDearheartVonLipwig · 20/04/2025 21:17

I think the previous point was that dog illnesses aren’t usually transmissible to people. Whereas kids continuously transmit germs between themselves and then give them to everyone else.

We sometimes take our dog with us when we go out to eat. We recently stayed in a lovely dog friendly pub. Our dog stayed under the table in the dog friendly end of the restaurant and nobody knew he was there, he was so quiet and well behaved. But then he’s well bred and I’ve spent years training him.

I absolutely do not agree with dragging dogs round busy shopping malls and town centres. It is completely inappropriate and unsuitable for dogs. Crowds are overwhelming and dogs get trodden on, kicked, harassed by kids etc, not to mention having to walk miles on hot concrete. It’s ridiculous.

dogs transmit illness to other dogs eg Canine Infectious Respiratory Disease Complex,influenza ,diarrhoea.
Kids transmit illness to other humans
So dogs aren’t 4 leg aseptic sterile vessels that don’t get ill or transmit illness

Reflectionsreflections · 20/04/2025 21:30

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 21:06

utter gibberish
do you understand that transmission of virus,illness is applicable for both dog and human. Both get humans and dogs get ill. Hence we have vets and doctors

Dogs get norovirus, Canine Infectious Respiratory Disease Complex,influenza ,diarrhoea. . Dogs aren’t in any way four legged aseptic waggy tail companions immune from illness or disease .

Finally Your purported physical hardiness, It’s literally unrelated to this thread

Are you really trying to argue that parents literally everywhere do not talk about all the germs their dc bring home? That parents don’t come into work suffering from the coughs and cold that they literally tell you their kids brought home? Or call in sick with d&v brought home from school? Of course they do.
And yes of course dogs get poorly, I have a lot of dogs, I spend a lot of time and money at the vet. The difference is, when my dogs are poorly, and they have been, with a wide variety of weird and wonderful conditions, I do not catch it. When one of my dogs has d&v for example, I obviously clean it up taking all necessary precautions but I’ve never caught it. And I honestly don’t know a dog owner who has, if there is anyone on here who has, please, shout up! But I haven’t, in decades. And I don’t think I am alone in that or in anyway “physically hardy” 🤣🤣
You do not hear dog owners at the vet talking about the bugs their dogs bring home!

Fixx · 20/04/2025 21:33

YES!!!! Totally sick if it! Went out for Mothers Day pub lunch a few Sundays ago and got stuck between 2 tables with dogs! One was quiet but the other one was a totally pain in the bum!!!!

Baninarama · 20/04/2025 21:38

Nearly fell over some sort of poodle being dragged around a heaving Brandy Melville in Bath earlier. It didn't look happy to be there.

I've recently had to eat breakfast at a hotel to the accompaniment of loud barking from a dog under a table nearby. People really shouldn't be dragging them everywhere - it's no fun for the dogs.

Khayker · 20/04/2025 21:46

Dreamingi · 19/04/2025 18:12

Or people could stop taking animals to people places.

Just find a restaurant without animals.

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 21:48

Reflectionsreflections · 20/04/2025 21:30

Are you really trying to argue that parents literally everywhere do not talk about all the germs their dc bring home? That parents don’t come into work suffering from the coughs and cold that they literally tell you their kids brought home? Or call in sick with d&v brought home from school? Of course they do.
And yes of course dogs get poorly, I have a lot of dogs, I spend a lot of time and money at the vet. The difference is, when my dogs are poorly, and they have been, with a wide variety of weird and wonderful conditions, I do not catch it. When one of my dogs has d&v for example, I obviously clean it up taking all necessary precautions but I’ve never caught it. And I honestly don’t know a dog owner who has, if there is anyone on here who has, please, shout up! But I haven’t, in decades. And I don’t think I am alone in that or in anyway “physically hardy” 🤣🤣
You do not hear dog owners at the vet talking about the bugs their dogs bring home!

You not getting a dog illness whilst getting illness from a human isn’t an example of how clean dogs are or how filthy humans are
You are really not understanding that some illnesses don’t cross species barrier. So yes you can clean up dog diarrhoea and vomit without getting ill. Conversely you’ll clean up human norovirus and get unwell. And what’s your point?
There are too many dogs in restaurants & retail settings and when it’s raised the fur parents always deflect by saying how badly behaved humans are

Nowdontmakeamess · 20/04/2025 21:56

At the very least owners could keep them out the way - had to squeeze past a huge dog standing in the middle of a narrow walkway of a restaurant and owner completely oblivious/unconcerned about the inconvenience. I think restaurants should clearly advertise on their websites if they are dog friendly or not - I wouldn’t have eaten there had I known, every single table apart from ours had a dog.

WibbleyPie · 20/04/2025 21:59

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 21:48

You not getting a dog illness whilst getting illness from a human isn’t an example of how clean dogs are or how filthy humans are
You are really not understanding that some illnesses don’t cross species barrier. So yes you can clean up dog diarrhoea and vomit without getting ill. Conversely you’ll clean up human norovirus and get unwell. And what’s your point?
There are too many dogs in restaurants & retail settings and when it’s raised the fur parents always deflect by saying how badly behaved humans are

But the point that they're dirty/unhygienic/smelly is always brought into it.
As someone who works in a dog friendly place, as I've already said, I've had to clean up after far more disgusting humans than dogs who either are, or leave dirty/unhygienic/smelly.

The problem isn't the dogs, it's the humans who think that they, or any people/animals they're in charge of, can behave in ways that negatively affects others. There's lots of people like that around, some of them own dogs.

SunnySideDeepDown · 20/04/2025 22:01

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 21:13

You realise that humans lick other humans in quite intimate areas?

I don’t. Does the average person have sex everyday? Nope.

Zone2NorthLondon · 20/04/2025 22:06

WibbleyPie · 20/04/2025 21:59

But the point that they're dirty/unhygienic/smelly is always brought into it.
As someone who works in a dog friendly place, as I've already said, I've had to clean up after far more disgusting humans than dogs who either are, or leave dirty/unhygienic/smelly.

The problem isn't the dogs, it's the humans who think that they, or any people/animals they're in charge of, can behave in ways that negatively affects others. There's lots of people like that around, some of them own dogs.

In your workplace Are humans under the table licking their own genitals? Are humans sitting with uncovered bums eating their dinner? Do the humans have fleas?

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