To be sick of dogs in cafes/restaurants etc

[Dreamingi]

Just this really
obviously not service dogs

but why all of a sudden is it ok for dogs to be allowed places where others are eating?!?

That's absolutely your choice, and what people on this thread are saying. You spend your time and money where you want, and if that's dog free places, then that's absolutely fine.

Over a third of UK households have dogs though. So you'll find that UK holiday spots in particular will cater to dog people, because that's a big proportion of the country who will likely spend at least a week of holiday time in the UK with their dog. The households without dogs are probably more likely to go abroad anyway.

If businesses found that allowing dogs in do you really think they would continue to do so?

As long as places make it clear then people can make their own choices based on what works for them.

Another way yo squeeze money out of people.
Saw the madness at chester outlets. Dog food stalls selling dog sdonuts and dog ice cream.

I dint hate dogs. We have dogs in the family they have a purpose - they are working dogs on a large farm. They don't go on holidays they don't go to the tiwns and cities. They stay on the farm and work. I play with them and they get special treats but we font take them out tonterrorise other people and soil the streets and parks.
I am fed up. I can't let my children run around in the parks becuase dogs craps all over it. When i was younger I could take my shoes off and run around. Now it is an obstacle course of d9dge the crap every 2 seconds.

I thought every one was struggling financially ? If that was true then a dog is an unceasary expense and there should be very few dog owners. That's how it was when I was growing up. Only 5 or 6 dogs on the whole massive estate. Now everyone has one!

Really. You rarely see dog poo where I live and visit, least of all in parks. Should a rogue poo be seen it normally turns up pictured on the local FB group. 🤣

Sorry but I don’t think a lot of people do take responsibility. The amount of dog poo in our area is a disgrace because people are too lazy to clean up after them, dogs not on leads and one German shepherd went for my husband who wasn’t on a lead either. No sign of owner about. Dogs not getting walked and couped up in the house making them angry and barking at everyone walking past. Don’t have dogs if you can’t look after them
properly

Most people aren't taking the dogs out to terrorise everyone". You're being very dramatic there.

Dogs are an expense. To you it's clearly an unnecessary expense, but to many they would prioritise the cost of a dog over the cost of something else.

For us, having a dog is important because of what it brings to our lives. We'd rather have a dog than go abroad, for example. Or than having all the streaming services. Having the dog gives us the routine we need, the outside time we need but can easily let slide without one, and extra joy in our lives. It's not an unnecessary expense to us.

I'd consider an unnecessary expense a weekly shop that includes a crate of beer or a few bottles of wine. Doesn't mean I can't see how people would afford it if it's something they want.

I completely agree you shouldn't have them if you can't look after them properly. It's the same as children in that respect (don't flame me for comparing them, only the same in this instance). Don't have them if you can't care for them properly.

But it isn't every third dog you see that's the problem. It's some of them, not all of them, so hating all dogs/dog owners is a waste of time and energy.

Agreed. It might be the case that in some areas people take responsibility. But it's certainly not my experience where we live. Regularly we have to clean up poo outside our house and the route from our house to the shops has poo everywhere. There are many who just let their dogs out to take themselves for a walk here, so owner doesn't clean up. My idea of heaven would be walking with my kids without constantly reminding them to watch their feet because of dog poo on the streets. We don't have a dog.

Gosh not this again, let me spell it out.

• in a cost of living crisis, the vast majority of businesses are on the brink of closure
• less businesses means less money into the economy, more vacant shops etc
• less money into the economy means higher taxes or the loss of things such as the NHS
• encouraging dog owners to spend is the only way of sustaining a lot of cafes and pubs

Or if you don't they will spend their money in other cafes.

And what about people with severe allergies to dogs? Please don't say "take an antihistamine" as that will not stop me having an asthma attack if I'm in the same room as a dog.

It’s the same as with any allergy though- nuts, dairy, grass…Are cafes supposed to eradicate everything people are allergic to? They’d all go bust.

I'm glad! Not everyone can just get a dog though, this isn't a feasible solution for everyone. A dog has to be the right choice for the whole family and their lifestyle.

Having dogs myself, I go into a lot of dog friendly places. I have never seen any of the behaviour you speak of.

Never.

I will take my dogs into a cafe or pub, post walk. They sit under the table and wait patiently for their sausage.

There are lots of places which don’t allow dogs in though!

I think I’ve gathered from this thread that I actually live in a nice area, with respectful dog owners as I never come across constant poo all over the place or unruly dogs.

It must be a location thing.

Ageeed however there is a balance and I don’t think running for the hills at the mere glimpse of a dog and insisting that everywhere be dog free is the answer.

Me neither and we travel round the country a lot. Really not seeing it as described on here

Beautiful day here, just off for our morning walk, dog will be worn out by the time we reach the cafe for breakfast, where she will snooze under the table. She is partial to the dog biscuits the cafe gives out and always appreciates the fresh water by the door. Please don’t let you DC ask if they can pat her, appealing as she is to kids, she is partial to grubby hands and will try lick them clean.

The problem for me is where its not obvious that a cafe/restaurant is dog friendly. It wouldn't be the first time that I've ordered and been eating when someone arrives with a dog. I then have to leave to avoid an asthma attack.
To use your analogy, it's like someone with a nut allergy having chopped nuts sprinkled on their food half way through a meal.

What would help me would be a prominent notice at entrances of cafes etc stating whether or not dogs are allowed.

This is so true. Where I live, for about 5 months of the year, pretty much the only people using local cafes are dog walkers. When the weather is bad, people obviously and understandably aren’t out playing with their kids on the beach. We dog walkers are out, because we have to be. The dogs need a walk and don’t care about the weather. We make a point of using the local cafes as much as possible during those months to support them through the winter. We actually avoid them in the summer months. They are busy anyway and there are too many badly behaved children!
But, those businesses allow dogs for one reason, simple economics and the fact that some people don’t like dogs does not pay their bills. Dog walkers do.

I’m not blaming every dog owner. My sister has a dog and treats like them like an actual dog and takes responsibility and obviously other exceptions like guide dogs. I’m talking about people who think they are some cuddly accessory and either dont understand the responsibility and don’t want to.

Yes I’d like that. A big paw print. Would save me having to look up and find which ones are dog friendly before we go out

Most of the eating establishments near me allow dogs - in fact, they make a point of it, so it's clear that their target clientele is people with dogs. All pubs in my area allow dogs and about 95% of cafés also do.

The only cafés that don't allow dogs indoors are at a couple of nearby National Trust places.

A dog owner having a cup of tea with a dog snoozing under the table is treating them like an actual dog

Oh right. So it's working dogs are ok in pubs and not pets? Yeah. It doesn't work like that. Dogs are dogs and children are children and my pup has been allowed in pubs for far longer than dd has. She also gets far more love in a pub than dd. Treats, tickles, plates of Sunday roast leftovers and even had to decline a full cup of cream on one occasion ... she thinks this is where her fan base waits to adores her.

If restaurants, pubs and shops didn't make money from allowing dogs in they wouldn't but it significantly boosts business when they're struggling. Turns out the people who whine about dogs weren't spending enough to keep dogs out.