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To be sick of dogs in cafes/restaurants etc

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Dreamingi · 19/04/2025 18:07

Just this really
obviously not service dogs

but why all of a sudden is it ok for dogs to be allowed places where others are eating?!?

OP posts:
Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:45

Frequency · 19/04/2025 22:42

If I owned a cafe or bar, I'd probably target dog owners too. They are the ones who are out and about in the fine British weather we usually have, and in the age of online shopping and WFH, they tend to be the majority of foot traffic these days.

I don't frequent cafes often. I love coffee, but I can make it at home for a fraction of the price. But if I'm out with the dog and pass a nice-smelling coffee shop when I'm cold and wet and I happen to have some cash in my pocket, I'll call in. I assume a lot of other dog walkers do the same, otherwise businesses wouldn't target them as customers.

Ditto local grocery shops. If I'm out with the dog and pass a shop that allows him inside and I need a pint of milk, I'll go into that shop instead of going home, dropping off the do,g and then going back out to another shop for milk.

Most pet owners are decent people. They won’t subject others to their pet unless they have to or needs must.

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2025 22:45

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:08

I think you're missing the point here. Many families (like mine, and a number of my friends) keep away from certain csfes BECAUSE dogs are allowed in 🤦🏼‍♀️

My son was attacked by a dog in a playground when he was 6 months old, sitting in his pram. The owners said 'oh he's never done anything like that before'. 🙄 As if I'm ever going to trust a dog out in public ever again.

But clearly the ones allowing dogs in are ones that have identified that allowing dogs in increases business. They’re a business and will accommodate who brings in the money. So maybe the cafes who you and all your friends don’t use can cope without your custom. But that is good as it means other cafes that you and your friends use, which don’t allow dogs in, get your business. Which proves my point - there’s something for everyone. You can use none dog friendly ones, and others can use the dog friendly ones. Then everyone’s happy 🙂

GoodLaudanum · 19/04/2025 22:45

It would be great if cafe's / restaurants / pubs could at least be divided into dog and non-dog areas. Like they used to be for smokers.

OonaStubbs · 19/04/2025 22:46

Why can't people tie their dogs up outside shops as always used to happen?

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:46

Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:43

Ok then. I’ll open a place just for you. Possibly cost you about £800 quid for a meal if no one else is coming in. Also, where on earth do you go where slabbering dogs are under your table? Oh, that’s right - no where. Unless you live in a complete shit hole of an area, or some complete idiots live near you.

Don’t exaggerate. Come and live in my town. Overun. Quite happy to trek around and find somewhere dog free as PPs have suggested but …you know what….cafe owners need their livelihood so guess what…..there isn’t a dog free place.

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:47

OonaStubbs · 19/04/2025 22:46

Why can't people tie their dogs up outside shops as always used to happen?

Exactly! can’t live without them sniffing around other people for more than ten minutes. Get away from me!!!

Salad666 · 19/04/2025 22:47

Dreamingi · 19/04/2025 18:12

The dog brigade will try to say your child shouldn’t be out not the dog

they always compare dogs to children.

Well, see, I have a phobia of other people's children so maybe they shouldn't be out.

theriseandfallofFranklinSaint · 19/04/2025 22:47

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:37

Me too!

And me!

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:49

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2025 22:29

Nope. Only just heard your story. My examples were clearly not relating to dog attacks. They were relating to the amount of posts (a lot!) which indicate dogs are in cafes wandering around off lead, pee’ing up against table legs, peoples shopping bags, their legs, their children. Not saying it never happens, but certainly not the frequency indicated by MNetters on these posts.

Then might I suggest you actually RTWT as I posted about that horrific experience earlier this evening on this very thread.

And I'm not sure why you think these MN posters are lying. I've experienced many things like that too.

I vividly remember sitting on a bench one winter, minding my own business, following the death of someone close, wearing a gorgeous white Karen Millen coat and having a dog run up to me and paw me with its muddy paws. I shouted and leapt up and it kept jumping up at me. The coat was ruined after that; £200+ down the drain and the idiot dog owner didn't give a damn. Was that a lie?

I also posted upthread (which you apparently didn't read) about my recent experience in a Clarks shoe shop where I had to leave as a dog kept hassling me while I was trying on shoes. I actually emailed a complaint to Clarks following it. Was that a lie?

And yep I've had dogs hassling my children many many MANY times, in cafes, in parks, even in playgrounds (which was where the attack on my baby was).

Basically, your belief that people are making up these incidents is part of the problem. This stuff happens ALL THE TIME.

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:50

Salad666 · 19/04/2025 22:47

Well, see, I have a phobia of other people's children so maybe they shouldn't be out.

Do you mean to make yourself seem to unintelligent..? 🙄

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:51

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:47

Exactly! can’t live without them sniffing around other people for more than ten minutes. Get away from me!!!

Yep

vodkaredbullgirl · 19/04/2025 22:51

Dramatic 😂

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:51

GoodLaudanum · 19/04/2025 22:45

It would be great if cafe's / restaurants / pubs could at least be divided into dog and non-dog areas. Like they used to be for smokers.

Yes, this would be something at least.

Frequency · 19/04/2025 22:51

Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:45

Most pet owners are decent people. They won’t subject others to their pet unless they have to or needs must.

This entire thread is about dogs in pubs and shops and the extra profit that welcoming dogs brings to those establishments, so that is blatantly untrue.

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:53

Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:45

Most pet owners are decent people. They won’t subject others to their pet unless they have to or needs must.

I'd like to think you're right, but sadly that hasn't been my experience.

Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:54

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:46

Don’t exaggerate. Come and live in my town. Overun. Quite happy to trek around and find somewhere dog free as PPs have suggested but …you know what….cafe owners need their livelihood so guess what…..there isn’t a dog free place.

Why am I exaggerating? What town do you live in?

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:55

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:49

Then might I suggest you actually RTWT as I posted about that horrific experience earlier this evening on this very thread.

And I'm not sure why you think these MN posters are lying. I've experienced many things like that too.

I vividly remember sitting on a bench one winter, minding my own business, following the death of someone close, wearing a gorgeous white Karen Millen coat and having a dog run up to me and paw me with its muddy paws. I shouted and leapt up and it kept jumping up at me. The coat was ruined after that; £200+ down the drain and the idiot dog owner didn't give a damn. Was that a lie?

I also posted upthread (which you apparently didn't read) about my recent experience in a Clarks shoe shop where I had to leave as a dog kept hassling me while I was trying on shoes. I actually emailed a complaint to Clarks following it. Was that a lie?

And yep I've had dogs hassling my children many many MANY times, in cafes, in parks, even in playgrounds (which was where the attack on my baby was).

Basically, your belief that people are making up these incidents is part of the problem. This stuff happens ALL THE TIME.

literally watched a dog off the lead today in a crowded park run into a group of toddlers and lick them all. The owner ambled over, shouting at it to ‘ stop it’, ‘he’s alright..loves children etc etc. ‘ Why the hell do we have to put up with that? Then have to finish the day by walking walk past all the dog crap and enjoying apple trees festooned in blossom but also festooned with poo bags. yeah, dogs are great.

vodkaredbullgirl · 19/04/2025 22:56

I see more litter, than dog 💩 in my town.

GoodLaudanum · 19/04/2025 22:56

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:51

Yes, this would be something at least.

At least then people would know that the area they were sat in was clean of any muddy paws or slobber. A safe distance for those nervous around dogs.

Why don't places do this?

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2025 22:56

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:49

Then might I suggest you actually RTWT as I posted about that horrific experience earlier this evening on this very thread.

And I'm not sure why you think these MN posters are lying. I've experienced many things like that too.

I vividly remember sitting on a bench one winter, minding my own business, following the death of someone close, wearing a gorgeous white Karen Millen coat and having a dog run up to me and paw me with its muddy paws. I shouted and leapt up and it kept jumping up at me. The coat was ruined after that; £200+ down the drain and the idiot dog owner didn't give a damn. Was that a lie?

I also posted upthread (which you apparently didn't read) about my recent experience in a Clarks shoe shop where I had to leave as a dog kept hassling me while I was trying on shoes. I actually emailed a complaint to Clarks following it. Was that a lie?

And yep I've had dogs hassling my children many many MANY times, in cafes, in parks, even in playgrounds (which was where the attack on my baby was).

Basically, your belief that people are making up these incidents is part of the problem. This stuff happens ALL THE TIME.

I repeat. Please read my post. I was not referring to dog attacks. Entirely different topic to people complaining about dogs in cafes. Can’t you see this? Obviously there have been attacks on people by dogs. Which have been reported in newspapers. But that’s not what this thread is about? And I’m truly sorry about your £200 Karen Millen coat being ruined once by a dog. It must have been horrific for you. You certainly sound like you’ve been very unlucky in your life with dogs targeting you so much. They do say though that dogs can sense when people dislike them………..

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:58

Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:54

Why am I exaggerating? What town do you live in?

I’m talking about the £800 nonsense. We managed to have a meal under 20 quid before dogs were allowed in. Bizarre moment. It doesn’t matter which town I live in. The supporters of no dogs in restaurants and other places will doubtless agree that it’s a similar situation where they live.

Ishoulddomore · 19/04/2025 22:59

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 22:53

I'd like to think you're right, but sadly that hasn't been my experience.

I’m sorry about that, it shouldn’t be. I’d never let my dog go near anyone that wasn’t comfortable around him. I’d also not take him into a pub/etc where no other dogs were allowed/already in and if I did he wouldn’t be sniffing around other peoples tables!

surreygirl1987 · 19/04/2025 23:05

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 22:55

literally watched a dog off the lead today in a crowded park run into a group of toddlers and lick them all. The owner ambled over, shouting at it to ‘ stop it’, ‘he’s alright..loves children etc etc. ‘ Why the hell do we have to put up with that? Then have to finish the day by walking walk past all the dog crap and enjoying apple trees festooned in blossom but also festooned with poo bags. yeah, dogs are great.

Oh god, we get that ALL the time. In fact, we stopped going to one park in Surrey as we had that literally every time we went.

M777 · 19/04/2025 23:05

My DC has an awful dog allergy. Cats aren’t great too. We are finding it harder and harder to go to any pub or restaurant, particularly by the sea, without animals nearby or fur and dander in the air. They take extra strong prescribed antihistamines, sometimes two varieties at once. Still often come out in hives. I would welcome a few places that are dog free that we could go to. We now try to sit outside, and don’t go out in bad weather.

mrpenny · 19/04/2025 23:05

Livelovebehappy · 19/04/2025 22:56

I repeat. Please read my post. I was not referring to dog attacks. Entirely different topic to people complaining about dogs in cafes. Can’t you see this? Obviously there have been attacks on people by dogs. Which have been reported in newspapers. But that’s not what this thread is about? And I’m truly sorry about your £200 Karen Millen coat being ruined once by a dog. It must have been horrific for you. You certainly sound like you’ve been very unlucky in your life with dogs targeting you so much. They do say though that dogs can sense when people dislike them………..

ah yes, dogs sense when people dislike them.. Try telling surreygirl with her baby in a pram being attacked. Ah, yes, dear doggy must have sensed baby didn’t like him

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