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TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

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Peony1897 · 19/04/2025 17:16

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

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Kucinghitam · 22/04/2025 19:09

Science is continually finding that sex is not as simple as “gametes”

How fascinating.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/04/2025 19:09

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:02

The Tavistock was closed due to long waiting lists, not poor practice.

No, it wasn’t.

Waitwhat23 · 22/04/2025 19:16

Another handy link (by the BBC no less!)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62335665.amp

Long waiting times were one reason. Being rated inadequate and whistle blowers raising concerns were others....

A picture of the Tavistock's sign

NHS to close Tavistock child gender identity clinic - BBC News

It follows criticism of England's only children's gender identity clinic in an independent review.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62335665.amp

ILikeDungs · 22/04/2025 19:16

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:02

The Tavistock was closed due to long waiting lists, not poor practice.

Somebody didn't read Cass

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 19:31

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:01

No of course I don’t think it’s a kink!

I believe that gender identity is complex and that some people have an experience of being trans that cis people will never understand.

Trans people are pathologised in ways other people aren’t. There used to be lots of “research” into LGB people, and the exact same suggestions about mental illness and perversion were made.

I think trans people are who they say they are - people whose sense of their own gender doesn’t align with their sex.

Science is continually finding that sex is not as simple as “gametes” and we are miles from understanding what makes somebody lesbian, gay, bi or trans.

I cannot the transphobia on Mumsnet and the obsession with half a percent of the population, and the complete disinterest in other forms of intersectional feminism is depressing.

Please could you define what you mean by gender.

sex as I understand it relates to sexual reproduction - whatever organism is involved - and it really is about gametes.

It is useful to define sex because it has consequences but it doesn’t define my worth as a human being any more than my blood type.

I am like a female horse because we are both female mammals. I am like a male human because we are both humans.

I think you are confused by disorders of sexual development.

Diverze · 22/04/2025 19:39

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 18:35

No, there has been a rapid increase in girls identifying as trans - much, much more than boys. Concern about this was one reason for the Cass report. I’m surprised you aren’t aware of this.

I think these stats alter with age, which would reflect maturation rates of autistic females vs autistic males.

ROGD females tend to talk transition around age 13/14/15. The ROGD males it's older - 18-25. The populations are very similar in terms of characteristics of vulnerability. ROGD males are rather less likely to detransition (iirc around 45-50 percent as opposed to nearer 70 percent for the natal female cohort).

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:40

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 19:31

Please could you define what you mean by gender.

sex as I understand it relates to sexual reproduction - whatever organism is involved - and it really is about gametes.

It is useful to define sex because it has consequences but it doesn’t define my worth as a human being any more than my blood type.

I am like a female horse because we are both female mammals. I am like a male human because we are both humans.

I think you are confused by disorders of sexual development.

Edited

A person’s internal, felt sense of being a man or a woman.

Diverze · 22/04/2025 19:44

Diverze · 22/04/2025 19:39

I think these stats alter with age, which would reflect maturation rates of autistic females vs autistic males.

ROGD females tend to talk transition around age 13/14/15. The ROGD males it's older - 18-25. The populations are very similar in terms of characteristics of vulnerability. ROGD males are rather less likely to detransition (iirc around 45-50 percent as opposed to nearer 70 percent for the natal female cohort).

Screenshots. From the German study published last year.

What is true is that historically trans women were more common than trans men and that reversed in the teen population over the past 10-15 years.

TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue
TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue
ILikeDungs · 22/04/2025 19:50

I cannot the transphobia on Mumsnet and the obsession with half a percent of the population,

Half of one percentage of the population has done all this. One man in a woman's sport changes the outcomes for countless women. One male teacher asking to be called "Miss" affects an entire school and the further school community. One man claiming womanhood and joining a women's organisation alters the ENTIRE organisation. One parent with a trans child (sic) who sits on a local council influences that council because people don't want to offend or be called bigots (oh yes, I'll back that amendment, I'll sign that petition), one male worker insisting on specific pronouns or (before the SC ruling) expecting to use the women's toilet affects the entire workplace, especially the women. I could go on.

It is not transphobia on Mumsnet, it is women saying "phew, we get our spaces/sports/dignity back."

Nameychangington · 22/04/2025 19:52

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:40

A person’s internal, felt sense of being a man or a woman.

'Man' or 'woman' isn't a feeling. It's a biological reality.

You can't have an internal sense of feeling like a woman any more than you can have an internal sense of feeling like a blue-eyed person. You just are (or aren't) one. It doesn't say anything about you as a person, it's just a fact.

Gender ideology has tried to redefine the terms man and woman to mean feelings but they don't, they mean biology

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 19:53

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:40

A person’s internal, felt sense of being a man or a woman.

And do they also have an internal felt sense of having blue eyes? A blood type? Colour blindness? Height?

Do you also have an understanding that some people also have a strong internal sense of national identity, or class and some people just don’t?

That you are describing something that is completely subjective?

borntobequiet · 22/04/2025 20:00

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:02

The Tavistock was closed due to long waiting lists, not poor practice.

Seriously? Staff were raising concerns for years.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 20:04

“You can’t have an internal sense of feeling like a woman”

To be fair, it’s clear that some people feel they do - what’s not clear is why or how that should affect other people.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 20:07

Diverze · 22/04/2025 19:44

Screenshots. From the German study published last year.

What is true is that historically trans women were more common than trans men and that reversed in the teen population over the past 10-15 years.

Difficult to believe that this is organic and not externally influenced.

EasternStandard · 22/04/2025 20:17

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:01

No of course I don’t think it’s a kink!

I believe that gender identity is complex and that some people have an experience of being trans that cis people will never understand.

Trans people are pathologised in ways other people aren’t. There used to be lots of “research” into LGB people, and the exact same suggestions about mental illness and perversion were made.

I think trans people are who they say they are - people whose sense of their own gender doesn’t align with their sex.

Science is continually finding that sex is not as simple as “gametes” and we are miles from understanding what makes somebody lesbian, gay, bi or trans.

I cannot the transphobia on Mumsnet and the obsession with half a percent of the population, and the complete disinterest in other forms of intersectional feminism is depressing.

One thing you mention here feels relevant, men will never know what it is to be a woman.

Also we are after single sex spaces and clear definition of woman and now the Supreme Court has decided on both the male sex class is free to support everyone within it.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 20:28

borntobequiet · 22/04/2025 20:00

Seriously? Staff were raising concerns for years.

I think denial of facts that have long been in the public domain suggests a less than sincere interest in helping people with gender dysphoria.

Notaflippinclue · 22/04/2025 20:47

Lesbian and gay has always seemed natural to me bi I don’t get but heyho - trans is a whole new ball game

Waitwhat23 · 22/04/2025 21:38

Ah, finally the Police have decided to (sort of) act -

'Trans activists’ death threat signs reviewed by police' -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f38cc46df5e2457a

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 22/04/2025 21:43

Waitwhat23 · 22/04/2025 21:38

Ah, finally the Police have decided to (sort of) act -

'Trans activists’ death threat signs reviewed by police' -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f38cc46df5e2457a

Edited

Finally- hopefully this sense of impunity will end. (and unsurprisingly the guy with the very easily identifiably tattoos couldn’t even draw the gallows correctly)

borntobequiet · 22/04/2025 21:49

Rather strangely worded statement from the Met quoted in that article:

He added that officers were “reviewing all the available material to make sure there was no breach of the law”.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:03

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:01

No of course I don’t think it’s a kink!

I believe that gender identity is complex and that some people have an experience of being trans that cis people will never understand.

Trans people are pathologised in ways other people aren’t. There used to be lots of “research” into LGB people, and the exact same suggestions about mental illness and perversion were made.

I think trans people are who they say they are - people whose sense of their own gender doesn’t align with their sex.

Science is continually finding that sex is not as simple as “gametes” and we are miles from understanding what makes somebody lesbian, gay, bi or trans.

I cannot the transphobia on Mumsnet and the obsession with half a percent of the population, and the complete disinterest in other forms of intersectional feminism is depressing.

You need to eliminate the EXCEPTIONALLY high levels of trauma, sexual abuse, other mental health conditions, being gay and autism that have been recorded in children presenting at the Tavistock BEFORE you start drawing up conclusions about something innate about gender. You are making assumptions and then looking for an explanation, rather than looking at research.

The practices being carried out at the Tavistock are utterly appalling in how they affirmed without question, without considering just how vulnerable many of these children were and how many had these other issues.

Even the staff who worked there, became concerned that cases which should have been barred from the puberty blockers study due to these factors, were admitted into the study...

The figures that Hannah Barnes painstakingly researched are absoluetely horrifying and its hard to rule out malpractice once youve seen them.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:12

What is very clear - even Stonewall refer to the trans umbrella - is that being trans is not one homogenus grouping but several distinct groups with very different characteristics.

Teen girls transitioning forma completely different pattern on many levels to middle aged male transitioners.

Anyone with half a braincell and an understanding of data andd demographics would understand these differences beg many, many questions.

This isn't about it being more acceptable to transition now. Why? Because otherwise we'd be seeing a larger number of middle aged women transitioning. Instead we see a pattern of middle aged women saying that if they' have been teenagers now they'd have transitioned for a whole vary of reasons, but ultimately it was just part of growing up to feel uncomfortable with you sex at that age.

Yet all these women saying this are instantly dismissed because its more important to maintain the idea that theres something innate rather than to ask the fucking obvious questions and eliminate the posibility of medical malpractice.

Why? Because these teenage girls are essential to the status and legitimacy of the middle aged male transitioners.

Ask a few more questions about whaat might be the motivation behind that.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:13

ILikeDungs · 22/04/2025 19:16

Somebody didn't read Cass

Or Hannah Barnes' book.

Fuck me the book is grim reading.

ImConfusedDotComHelp · 23/04/2025 06:52

Onetimeonlyftw · 22/04/2025 19:40

A person’s internal, felt sense of being a man or a woman.

Based on old fashioned stereotypes.

Onetimeonlyftw · 23/04/2025 08:07

ImConfusedDotComHelp · 23/04/2025 06:52

Based on old fashioned stereotypes.

Says who? I know plenty of gender non confirming trans people. Don’t know any trans people in real life??

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