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TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

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Peony1897 · 19/04/2025 17:16

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

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DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 17:46

And another. This is very tame in comparison to others
Plenty worse where these came from though

How would you Fancy an in box full of death threats @JHound

TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 17:46

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 17:43

Women generally aren’t as violent as men.

Protests or wherever we just don’t use violence as much.

Men do, particularly when women say no.

Ah but these men identify as women.

So surely they should behave like women....no?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 17:48

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:35

Aha.

So women’s rights protestors are unique among all protests in that there has never been a violent minority who cause trouble.

Fascinating.

Feel free to link to some GC women being violent to trans people or their allies.

OctopusFriend · 21/04/2025 17:52

I have been involved in women's rights marches, rallies and demonstrations for over 40 years.
Not one has involved violence.
Not one has involved the use of offensive chants or placards.
We tend to rely on pithy remarks, wit and clarity of objective.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/04/2025 17:54

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:28

Why would they not have realised that some people on the protest were bound to spoil it for the rest?

Have they never seen a protest on the news? I have been on anti-racism protests and saw on the news later that some people took the opportunity to be violent.

I was completely unsurprised.

As you have said. I am now very clear about what you think and would have assumed, thank you so much for your extremely clear comments.

However, I am specifically interested whether those protesters who were reportedly disappointed that this had happened and are considering going back to help clean up had realised, hence asking someone who seems to be in the same FB group and may have some insight. Asumptions based on general experience, however confidently made, do not actually answer my question. Thank you again for trying to help though.

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 17:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 17:46

Ah but these men identify as women.

So surely they should behave like women....no?

Good question. There’s nothing more telling than women saying no to this group and how they behave.

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 17:48

Feel free to link to some GC women being violent to trans people or their allies.

Nah I believe you about the uniqueness of women’s rights protestors.

My point is most protests have a trouble seeking minority that turn. It won’t deter the peaceful majority. There us nothing for those who turned out to clean up to wonder about as a violent element at a protest is not unusual.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 21/04/2025 17:56

I see the ‘I’m hiding the trans posts’ worked out well.

Would love to see evidence of a ‘violent minority’ at women’s rights, on the side of women obviously, or the ones who turn up at trans rights rallies holding placards calling for the death of and to decapitate trans people. All these women (and men) who turn up at trans meetings with their faces covered, banging drums and being intimidating arseholes.

I’ll be waiting as long as someone being able to come along and explain how men can become women.

Silversixpenny · 21/04/2025 17:56

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 17:48

Feel free to link to some GC women being violent to trans people or their allies.

Looks like you linked them all, ie ZERO!!

Silversixpenny · 21/04/2025 17:57

FlirtsWithRhinos · 21/04/2025 17:54

As you have said. I am now very clear about what you think and would have assumed, thank you so much for your extremely clear comments.

However, I am specifically interested whether those protesters who were reportedly disappointed that this had happened and are considering going back to help clean up had realised, hence asking someone who seems to be in the same FB group and may have some insight. Asumptions based on general experience, however confidently made, do not actually answer my question. Thank you again for trying to help though.

Ought to be made to, in public, so all can see who they are and the consequences.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 17:59

I mean, this is just one and it depends on your view point about the degree of violence and there are plenty that are violent and intimidating male activists at women’s events. But this goes to show just how few boundaries the people who protest in support of extreme trans rights have.

Carly May Kavanagh yelling and gesturing at a baby. This one is clipped off, there is more gesturing if I remember correctly.

The baby and father were on a walk through the park and had been very much on the edge of the crowd.

EasternStandard · 21/04/2025 18:00

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:55

Nah I believe you about the uniqueness of women’s rights protestors.

My point is most protests have a trouble seeking minority that turn. It won’t deter the peaceful majority. There us nothing for those who turned out to clean up to wonder about as a violent element at a protest is not unusual.

Women are met with a barrage of abuse online and offline over women’s sex based rights.

Abuse, violence and threats. Women saying no absolutely causes men to react typically.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 18:00

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:55

Nah I believe you about the uniqueness of women’s rights protestors.

My point is most protests have a trouble seeking minority that turn. It won’t deter the peaceful majority. There us nothing for those who turned out to clean up to wonder about as a violent element at a protest is not unusual.

And yet, when women meet it is unusual. What do you think the difference is do you think?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 18:01

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:55

Nah I believe you about the uniqueness of women’s rights protestors.

My point is most protests have a trouble seeking minority that turn. It won’t deter the peaceful majority. There us nothing for those who turned out to clean up to wonder about as a violent element at a protest is not unusual.

I don't think women's rights protesters are unique.

I went to an anti Brexit protest in 2016. Over a million people attended and there was zero violence.

The behaviour of the violent trans activists is very similar to what we would expect to see at a Britain First rally.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/04/2025 18:01

Diverze · 21/04/2025 14:57

Fwiw the FB page for parents of adults who are trans is very upset at the vandalism of the statues by a minority on the protest. A few people are trying to organise clean up groups. They are pretty pissed off with whoever did it.

Were they also upset about them urinating in the streets and the signs saying ‘kill JK Rowling’ and ‘the only good terf is a dead terf’ which included a drawing of a gallows?
Because defacing statues is not cool, but calling for the deaths of women who acknowledge and understand biological reality is unhinged, depraved behaviour.

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 18:02

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:55

Nah I believe you about the uniqueness of women’s rights protestors.

My point is most protests have a trouble seeking minority that turn. It won’t deter the peaceful majority. There us nothing for those who turned out to clean up to wonder about as a violent element at a protest is not unusual.

And so you were just yanking our chain. Good to know. I am beginning to think you only ever take a bad faith interpretation of posts. For whatever reason.

CamillaMacauley · 21/04/2025 18:11

Just seen a tiktok video from today or possibly yesterday of a TRA on a protest assaulting a bystander who was doing nothing but filming. TRA told the camera guy to stop filming, he refused and said he was in a public place. 2 x TRAs go loopy and one strikes him. TRA got arrested by the police but cameraman declined to press charges which was nice of him.

so yeah actual literal violence.

DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 18:17

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/04/2025 18:01

Were they also upset about them urinating in the streets and the signs saying ‘kill JK Rowling’ and ‘the only good terf is a dead terf’ which included a drawing of a gallows?
Because defacing statues is not cool, but calling for the deaths of women who acknowledge and understand biological reality is unhinged, depraved behaviour.

I asked the same ages ago but haven’t heard back yet.
Statues still more important

DrPrunesqualer · 21/04/2025 18:27

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 17:59

I mean, this is just one and it depends on your view point about the degree of violence and there are plenty that are violent and intimidating male activists at women’s events. But this goes to show just how few boundaries the people who protest in support of extreme trans rights have.

Carly May Kavanagh yelling and gesturing at a baby. This one is clipped off, there is more gesturing if I remember correctly.

The baby and father were on a walk through the park and had been very much on the edge of the crowd.

Wow
She is literally looking for people at the Womens Meet up to attack. She’s walking around looking for victims and picks a baby calling it a fascist!

This is an aide to a Labour MP ! ( not the baby of course although baby would almost certainly do a better job than bullies like Carly )

aylis · 21/04/2025 18:27

Thinking about the protests women have held at the Scottish Parliament etc in recent times, the aggression and violence has come from counter protestors, who are the same people as these protestors.

Trying to draw some equivalence is false. The truth is that most protests in the UK in the current day that are aggressive and/or violent, whether they're protestors or counter protestors, have a heavy male presence.

Trans activism has a heavy aggressive male presence. Because trans activism on this form is a men's rights movement.

Merrymouse · 21/04/2025 18:29

JHound · 21/04/2025 17:35

Aha.

So women’s rights protestors are unique among all protests in that there has never been a violent minority who cause trouble.

Fascinating.

I think quite a few protests don’t involve violent minorities.

”Save our cottage hospital’ demonstrations aren’t known for vandalism.

However the bigger point here is that the people involved in the protest are trying to argue that women have nothing to fear from ‘Inclusive’ single sex spaces. It’s a rather odd way to make the argument.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 18:32

Helleofabore · 21/04/2025 17:59

I mean, this is just one and it depends on your view point about the degree of violence and there are plenty that are violent and intimidating male activists at women’s events. But this goes to show just how few boundaries the people who protest in support of extreme trans rights have.

Carly May Kavanagh yelling and gesturing at a baby. This one is clipped off, there is more gesturing if I remember correctly.

The baby and father were on a walk through the park and had been very much on the edge of the crowd.

The wife/mum came on MN after to talk about it ISTR.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 18:32

One thing I would like to know is why gender critical feminists are tainted by their non existent association with far right groups, whereas "nice" trans activists don't consider themselves to be tainted by association with the violent, misogynistic members of their own group.

An American "liberal" "feminist" once told me that even if JK Rowling might have a point about some stuff, she shouldn't say anything that could be interpreted as anti trans because Trump is mean to trans people.

And gender critical feminists are constantly asked how it feels to be in bed with the likes of Jordan Peterson, just because we believe in the reality of biological sex.

But actual trans activists making actual rape and death threats to actual women at the exact same events that they are actually attending? Nothing to do with them. They're just marching shoulder to shoulder, that's all.

Peony1897 · 21/04/2025 18:33

Merrymouse · 21/04/2025 18:29

I think quite a few protests don’t involve violent minorities.

”Save our cottage hospital’ demonstrations aren’t known for vandalism.

However the bigger point here is that the people involved in the protest are trying to argue that women have nothing to fear from ‘Inclusive’ single sex spaces. It’s a rather odd way to make the argument.

So why don’t the trans protests, as they’re women natch, resemble protests led by women aka no violence/threats? Greatest mystery of all time.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 18:34

Merrymouse · 21/04/2025 18:29

I think quite a few protests don’t involve violent minorities.

”Save our cottage hospital’ demonstrations aren’t known for vandalism.

However the bigger point here is that the people involved in the protest are trying to argue that women have nothing to fear from ‘Inclusive’ single sex spaces. It’s a rather odd way to make the argument.

Exactly this.

Let's show these bigoted women how wrong they are not to want us in their toilets, changing rooms and refuges...by threatening to kill them.

Let's show them that we are real women who belong in their rape crisis groups...by threatening to rape them.

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