TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

[Peony1897]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

Do you think trans women are autoandrophiles?

Sorry, don’t think trans MEN are autoandrophiles?

Yes I agree

you have put forward some very interesting points

Autistic people are more likely to identify as LGB as well as T. If you have a problem with the T only, could you explain why?

Autism is a huge factor in young males transitioning too. I know of very very few transwomen under age 25 at time of transition who are not autistic. Actually, to be more accurate, I know of none.

Tell a lie, I know of one 'old school transsexual' about 25 years ago who transitioned at primary school before stonewall etc was a thing. She was not autistic. She would have been a very feminine gay man had she not transitioned.

All - bar none - of the modern transitioners I know are autistic, males and females alike. And I work in education in a large city and know of quite a number of trans teens and early adults. Well over 30.

Speaking for myself, I don't 'have a problem ' with transpeople. Wear what you like, change your name if you want, I don't care. What I have a problem with, is aggressive males trying to take women's words and women's single sex spaces, and using vulnerable ND/gay/abused young people to hide their men's rights movement behind.

LGB people don't need me to do anything or believe anything, for them to be LGB. Transpeople need me to believe in their religion and say the words of their religion. And I don't and I won't.

It's also that they don't see actual women as autonomous human beings. We're here to either fuck or to provide a service. They see women as 'living life on easy mode' (an incel dogma) and get off on porn inspired ideas of women having a burning desire to be made to be submissive. They have a humiliation fetish and because in their eyes, women are worth nothing, then cos playing as a submissive woman meets that fetish. Serano actually goes that into his article counteracting the 'transphobes who have quoted (his) words out of context'.

And yes, they get off on saying all these things with no pushback. Wasn't Chu nominated for a Pulitzer?

(Edited to add - I beg your pardon, won a Pulitzer).

Judging by the volume of gay fan fiction produced by young girls and women it's not beyond the realms of possibility that some are. However we know the history of women and of self harms in women so it's a completely different picture than for men

I think probably some are, but I think most are vulnerable teenage girls who are trying to get away from having to grow into women in our misogynist porn soaked culture. That they don't want to be men so much as they want to not have to be women.

What is really starting to annoy me is all the memes and posts appearing on unconnected SM groups “if you don’t understand why trans friends are scared today you don’t have trans friends you know trans people” - followed by a list of gender neutral toilets etc.

Where were these people setting out places where women could go to the loo/get changed without worrying about men coming in? I can’t remember them posting in support of women who lost their job for stating the law.

It’s clear that the mode of manipulation being systematically rolled out across SM is “Trans people are so vulnerable and scared” maybe we need to start posting about the people who have abused the systems set up to not comply with the EA before.

You hear this all the time in some way from women who identify as non binary - some variation of 'I want to be treated as a person, not a woman'.

It's understandable but equally they often claim to be feminists (imo NB is a political identity above all) when it's the most anti-feminist thing going.

It’s not symmetrical.

There is a long history of men role playing as women as a sexual fetish. Wearing women’s clothes is taboo.

Femininity is regarded as a demotion for men, to the extent that it is degrading. It is linked to submissiveness.

On the other hand there just isn’t the same scope for women to role play as men, even if they wanted to. If a woman is behaving and dressing in a way that would have been described as masculine 100 years ago it’s just Tuesday.

Men could obviously ‘expand the bandwidth’ of acceptable male behaviour, just as women have, but that threatens their status.

This.

Agree and this is reflected in the different age demographics.

Ridiculous false correlation.
There are also more younger LGB people…

No, there has been a rapid increase in girls identifying as trans - much, much more than boys. Concern about this was one reason for the Cass report. I’m surprised you aren’t aware of this.

But no causation was identified.

A handy link about this -

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion-what-is-behind-the-rise-in-girls-questioning-their-gender-identity

A handy link about this -

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion-what-is-behind-the-rise-in-girls-questioning-their-gender-identity

I’m not sure what you are suggesting? You think it was a sexual kink?

I am 100% sure that that hasn’t been suggested by anyone.

On the other hand it was found that a high number were autistic or had suffered sexual abuse.

This might be useful here

No of course I don’t think it’s a kink!

I believe that gender identity is complex and that some people have an experience of being trans that cis people will never understand.

Trans people are pathologised in ways other people aren’t. There used to be lots of “research” into LGB people, and the exact same suggestions about mental illness and perversion were made.

I think trans people are who they say they are - people whose sense of their own gender doesn’t align with their sex.

Science is continually finding that sex is not as simple as “gametes” and we are miles from understanding what makes somebody lesbian, gay, bi or trans.

I cannot the transphobia on Mumsnet and the obsession with half a percent of the population, and the complete disinterest in other forms of intersectional feminism is depressing.

The Tavistock was closed due to long waiting lists, not poor practice.

Gender is just stereotypes.

Thinking that stereotypes should align with your sex is deeply regressive. You can be either sex and have any personality and set of interests you like, there's no matching set.

Don't use people with rare medical conditions to try to justify men in women's single sex spaces, they're not relevant.

Similarly, being LGB is nothing to do with gender ideology.

Intersectional feminism doesn't mean including men, however those men like to dress

It really really wasn't.