TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

[Peony1897]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

None of the concrete evidence counts for the handmaidens. They will ignore it or wave it away.

And then froth about the language being used, which is so much more important than men going about the streets of London with signs saying they want to murder women they disagree with.

Goodness me, you genuinely think that women have more societal power than trans-identified males? How in that case was it necessary for FWS to have to fundraise to take this case all the way to the Supreme Court before it was clarified in law that the law says what gender critical activists have said it did for a decade and more? Why didn't the politicians, teachers, social workers, medics, academics and all the others say 'Oops, women have spoken, better not change all our policies and practices to what the trans-identified men want'? This is the direct opposite of what happened. Women who attempted to point out the law found themselves facing disciplinary action at work, getting sacked, contracts not renewed, offers of work rescinded, ostracised, chucked out of their unions and clubs, coldshouldered by friends and family. Stonewall law was accepted without question even though it was quite obviously wrong.

The trans community have all the same rights as everyone else as part of the Equalities Act.
Its not about comparisons, it’s not about having more or less than, it’s about equality.
No one has taken their rights away as part of the SC ruling.

Sometimes one of our diligent TRAs lets the mask slip completely. This is basically an Andrew Tate, incel level talking point.

The TRA movement is motivated by misogyny. Important to remember. They will use any tactic they find convenient to force their will on women.

Blimey @CleverButScatty
Whilst I completely disagree with you on the farcical idea women have more power I think you need to check out those dusty history books of yours

Women have never had more power or say than men.
Women have always been set aside and marginalised
They still are in many countries.

Women have fought for their own rights. You creat a different movement…a Trans Movement…then you start your own campaigning for your own rights. Not at the expense of others.

The obsession with woman’s rights from the Trans Movement is just that Obsessive.

Trans people can be themselves they have nothing to do with women.

@CleverButScattyhave you noticed this?

Are you aware of the violence directed at women?

Oh I've been posting for years on this subject.

I have learnt when posters start saying things like 'women have more social power', 'its just like being homosexual' and hit a certain number of these comments, that there's a question mark over good faith. Especially when they start asking for me to do all the leg work.

Go search my username and 'definition of homophobia' if you are that bothered.

It doesn't feel a safe space for women to hold their own views these days, only to agree with the mob.

It makes you feel unsafe to have someone disagree with you? Why on earth would that be? We are all arguing over the internet. There is no prospect of violence coming from those who disagree with you. Angry words are just that, words. We're all anonymous here.

There is a very real chance of aggression and violence at every single event organised to discuss women's rights. Many women have actually been assaulted. The very sight of an Adult Human Female sticker has been treated as literal violence by some activists and the police have treated it as a possible hate crime.

When J. K. Rowling had lunch with a few like-minded women in a London restaurant a few years ago a vandal subsequently smashed the restaurant window.

We don't need to look any further than the current case of a working class nurse being bullied by a middle class white doctor.

Well said.

@CleverButScatty

But your here? What’s unsafe? You haven’t been deleted, banned, doxxed or threatened.

Your either new to this and don’t understand what women have had to go through in the past decade, or your just being facetious.

Only you know which one it is.

This.

Ive been on here a long long time. I have disagreed with lots of people on various subjects. Sometimes I'm shocked horror, perhaps not right. But I'm also not going to suddenly go 'oh well I'm not going to hold an opinion, if other people disagree with me'.

If your argument is worth shit, it'd hold.

Why do trans people need protection? Are they vulnerable? Probably not, as they’re far more likely to be a perpetrator of crime than even a ‘cis’ man. Are they disproportionately targeted? Given the fact such a small group have managed to capture massive organisations and change the law, probably not. Are they subject to harassment? They seem to do an awful lot of harassing.

I just don’t care about them in any way, I’m afraid. All out of fucks to give, and those I have will be going to better causes than men who are sad we won’t let them oppress us.

Glad to see this criticism of Stonewall. There has been no solid research carried out by these orgs into exactly what trans peoples needs are, and in what circumstances. Just a list of demands. When equal marriage was going through parliament, Stonewall held a consultation on whether to even support it because they recognised there was a wide variety of views on the concept of marriage within the gay community. They've basically stopped bothering consulting the people they represent on anything and are trying to rule by decree. They've ostracised trans people who don't agree with all their top-down dictats, so they've got no real perspective. So many straight people are muscling in and nodding along.

Homosexuality is proven in biology. Don be stupid.

And societal power has nothing do with your government fighting your corner for you apparently.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

Just putting my hand up to say not all teachers went along with it.

I made sure my school is aware of the actual legalities every step of the way.

We recognise biological sex.

If a boy wants to be seen as a girl, we allow them to wear the girl's uniform (effectively a skirt and tights rather than trousers) but that is as far as it goes and the single sex provisions are upheld.

There are many of us who have been vigilant.

"why won't you listen to my argument"
"I have, I don't agree. It's shit for this reason" Gives lengthy explanation
"But you aren't listening because you haven't changed your mind"
"No I haven't changed my mind, because your argument has more holes than a sieve and is completely incoherent nonsense"
"But it's just like..."
"Erm no it isn't." Gives lengthy explanation
"Waahhh you are all hateful and don't debate"

ad nauseam

Across multiple threads here right now, and all across the internet.

I think the comparison of homosexuals particularly pisses me off at this point, given that the supreme court highlights the homophobia of the GRA and the fact that lesbians have particular reason to need biological sex as protected characteristic and the law fails completely in terms of it intent if equality is the goal, if biological sex ceases to matter.

At best it's ignorant to still be saying that, at worst it's disengenious.

If you want to argue the toss, then up your game and do your basic homework over the subject.

Well done and many, many thanks. I'm sure it hasn't been easy.

We could do with this as a pinned post! So true.

Maybe you are late to this whole issue, but until very recently organisations like Stonewall have argued that there should be 'no debate' on this issue.

Sometimes women couldn't book meeting spaces, and if they could men tried to prevent them from entering the building.

The over arching point is that you can't talk about women's rights at all if you can't define them. We can argue about when 'safe spaces' are necessary, but only if we can explain who needs them and why.

I can't believe this even needs to be said on a website that that has so much content related to pregnancy and childbirth, but women need rights that men don't - but B*y Ocado withdrew advertising because discussion of women's rights is apparently transphobic!!

But you think women shouldn't be happy and relieved that their rights have finally been clarified? That they should keep quiet because it might offend some men?

Succinct version of the Bunbury preamble?