TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

[Peony1897]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

Well goodness.

But you're talking about groups with power there, women historically aren't the group with power, men are. It would be more comparable if white people wanted to become black and then aggressively protested when they weren't fully accepted in to the community

Put it on a placard at their next anti woman protest.

Saying women as a group have more social power than men - of any identity - as a group is the exact anti-feminist erasure of knowledge of sex as an axis of oppression that we're talking about. The complete inability to centre women in the conversation to any degree at all even within the context of the specific legal protected characteristic which is designed to acknowledge and address that oppression is outrageous.

The multiple crowdfunded tribunals and court cases are a direct manifestation of that lack of power and the decades and decades of fighting to asset our status in law. It's not been power, it's been dogged determination in the face of a society - including women - that wanted and wants to keep us down and disenfranchised.

to be fair, at LWS events there is usually a big banner that says something like:

Woman (n) - adult human female

and that is literal genocide, you bigots

I don't feel as though I have ever been silenced on Mumsnet in years gone by.

Again, very telling.

It would make a nice change from the Death To All TERFs ones.

Oh my god!! You mean they didn't say "bio"?!
Fascists.

I do feel these days that you have to 100% agree in every point with the anti trans argument and no nuance can be discussed.

...... yet here are you, not agreeing, and people discussing nuance with you.

I think they mean it's getting harder and harder to gaslight women into #BeKind

I do feel these days that you have to 100% agree in every point with the anti trans argument and no nuance can be discussed

Biology isn't a nuanced subject. Biology isn't bigoted. Biology isn't something you can debate as a result! Biology isn't anti trans. Nor are women's rights - they aren't anti trans.

FWS have been receiving death threats

Justine discusses MN being blacklisted for giving women a platform to speak

Signs at rallies across the country calling for violence against women

https://www.thetimes.com/article/da67367a-8aba-4545-9c64-ecf26fad0f49?shareToken=0e121192e3aa3b42da903c8630da6af0

Tell me again how trans activists don't hate women?

Yet here you are, discussing.

When, specifically, have you been insulted?

What key points have not been discussed?

Why do you term us a “mob”?

Women had to take it to the highest court in the land to get our sex recognised.

Despite it not being law, organisations, government, businesses and courts have fallen over themselves to appease the trans community over recent years.

This has resulted in women's organisations being closed, lesbians being kicked off lesbian dating apps, women being denied medical treatment because the correctly identified the sex of a male HCP when they had asked for a female one, women losing their jobs etc when the angry men kicked off.

And you think women have had all the power?

I didn't say it would happen overnight. How long do you think it took women to get public toilets?

This is the problem here the TRAs want everything, they want it all now and they don't want to have to make the slightest effort to get it.

(Plus most of them don't want a 3rd space anyway)

At a protest in Dundee yesterday, a man announced to a cheering audience (including a Scottish Green MSP') that he will 'take a shite on JKR'.

This appears to be considered reasonable behaviour by those attending these protests.

Most people, thankfully, recognise this for what it is.

The same old, same old of men getting angry when women say no.

I don't think you understand what societal power is... It has nothing to do with physical power in a 1:1 situation.

I have said umpteen times on this thread that safe spaces need to protected. As does the safety of the trans community who are at even high risk of harassment and assault.

I think that's the danger is dehumanising any group of people (e.g. in the discussion about the trans community immediately talking about a violent criminal in a prison) so they become seen as less than human. This is what we need to be careful of.

Also an inability to see nuance. I have said on about 6 occasions that I agree safe spaces need to be protected but I dislike the vilification of the trans community. This is immediately interpreted as me not caring about safe spaces. It

There's no such thing as 'safe spaces'.

There are single sex exemptions which are detailed in the guidance to the EQA2010.

I will tell you what my experience is thank you, you won't tell me what my experience has been ...how patronising

Yes, let's all be very careful never to listen to anyone else's views. That's worked so well when it came to the Brexit referendum, Trump getting elected in the US twice now, Farage and Reform here and many other anti-immigration parties across Europe - all cases where populists and rabble rousers were able to make huge electoral gains by whipping up hate based on what should have been easily disproved lies because mainstream politicians, especially on the left, ignored the valid concerns that were the root of all this and labelled the people expressing those concerns as bigots and racists.

Could use a more coherent argument than 'are you on glue?'

Kind of like when women are demonised as bigots. We're already objects, so much easier to shit on us when people can convince themselves we're not even nice objects.

Nuance is the new nebulous dogwhistle

My bingo card is full.

People used to use the same argument against homosexuality... It's biology.