TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

[Peony1897]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

Some years ago some trans people created a petition for third spaces - there was a link on MN but of course it got buried in the tumbleweed of petitions board. They were principled guys who didn’t invade women’s facilities but knew that other trans people had issues and so wanted a constructive solution. I don’t know if they’d want to resuscitate it or make a new one - they had a hard time from transactivists. Obviously that’s up to them.

No, I am saying that when you have a group who has more societal power (bio women in this example) than another group (in this example the trans community) that it is aggrevating to situation to gloat about that.

What the fuck are you talking about? You think we're like racists and homophobes because we're women and they're men, and they have a twisted jealousy about it? Boo-fucking-hoo

No one is saying that transgender people do not experience bullying and harassment. We know they do, as we know that homosexual people and women do. No one should bully and harass anyone.

But this does not warrant protests against the legal right to women to have single sex spaces. Neither does it warrant death and rape threats, or defiling statues of prominent women’s rights campaigners.

The way forward for transgender people is to lobby for safe spaces for themselves - to engage with men to make them welcoming and tolerant of transwomen in their spaces, and transmen if they want to be there - to try to understand why women feel threatened by having male bodied people in their spaces, and refrain from using them - to also understand that there are real physical advantages for male bodied people in sport, and to abstain from trying to compete with women; and a whole host of other things.

But most importantly, they should stop telling children that they may have been born in the wrong body, and need harmful medications and mutilating surgery to correct this.

But neither are women closing ranks around them and making demands that the victims of violent women just be kind to them because they're ever so vulnerable. There's no equivalence here. This is yet another common male deflection point.

I do feel as though Mumsnet has become a very different place in recent years. It used to be somewhere that people would do isten to a range of viewpoints, agree disagree whatever... But not this hysterical mob mentality.

Again, very telling. Women on this website have been subject to deletions, special rules on discussion of this subject, doxxed by interns and tracked by misogynist monitors. The rules have relaxed somewhat in recent years and women can speak more freely.

Again, being nostalgic for the days of silencing women is not a good look.

You think women have more social power than people who were born white men?

I don't think that can be an overnight solution. In terms of infrastructure etc a couple of generations probably.

'more societal power'

Are you on glue?

The last few years have actively demonstrated that extreme Transport Activists have had way more social power than women especially considering their numbers.

My understanding is that it is not women in general the trans community feel aggrieved by, it is the section of women that won't accept their community.

So just those pesky women that won't lay down and allow their rights to be eroded.

I am perfectly prepared to accept the trans community and have no issues with them having their own sports groups, loos, changing rooms and so on. As a woman I just refuse to be pushed out of those spaces.

And the law agrees.

Women have more societal power (mainstream acceptance, legal recognition, infrastructure) than white, heterosexual men (I'm not sure why we are assuming the trans community are all white though?)
They are statistically even more likely than women to be the victims of harassment and /or violent crime.

Silly little men.

This, better than I could have said it.

I am not judging that viewpoint, just highlighting that the trans community are not anti-woman.

A very vocal section of it thinks that we should be raped, burned to death or hanged. So it looks very much as though it is anti-woman.

Women have more societal power (mainstream acceptance, legal recognition, infrastructure) than white, heterosexual men

I must have read this wrong. This is perilously close to the incel argument of 'women live life in easy mode'.

Prove it

This cause could have been at least ten years further down the line than they are if they'd actually respected women...

...and there wouldn't be a shed load of exposure to legal cases of discrimination against women.

...and there wouldn't be a generation of kids self harming because of the promise of a magic bullet solution and the idea they could change actual sex (and the negligence claims that probably are still to come).

Of course it’s anti women.

This is errant nonsense.

Tell the woman in prison that she has more 'societal power' than the hulking 6 foot man they want to lock her up with.

Tell the women in rape counselling who have been told they need to 'reframe their trauma' and accept a man as a counsellor that they more 'societal power' than him.

Tell the sick or disabled woman who can't be guaranteed same sex intimate care that they have more 'societal power' than the man overriding their consent.

Just FRO with the misogyny and the dishonesty and downright malignancy. I am so through with your utter bullshit.

So let me get this right, women have more societal power than men, if those men want to be women?
So if a white person wanted to be black, would black people have more societal power?
If an able bodied person wanted to be disabled, would disabled people have more societal power?
If a woman wanted to be a transwoman, would transwomen have more societal power?

Absolute nonsense. Just look at how so many institutions have handed womens spaces over to them illegally, just because they demand it. Women have never had that power. How many companies paint the suffragette flag over everything like they do with the trans flag?
Wake up.

"you lot" "you always"

again: Mumsnet is not a homogenous blob.

However from the many many many protests against women having the right to single sex spaces we see how much TRAs hate us.

So I will continue to tar until the majority of the people on the marches unequivocally show us that they won't tolerate the hateful signs and chants.

Can I just check - what is a lesbian?

I don't feel as though I have ever been silenced on Mumsnet in years gone by.

I do feel these days that you have to 100% agree in every point with the anti trans argument and no nuance can be discussed.

I also think the is a greater pattern of people just insulting each other and not actually talking about the key points of the debate.

It doesn't feel a safe space for women to hold their own views these days, only to agree with the mob.

Again, are you on glue?

So much social power that women are far more likely to be caught up in medical scandals and have inadequate medical care?

So much social power that they are economically more vulnerable, hold less decision making jobs and less able to influence policy making?

Get off the Andrew Tateisms.