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Peony1897 · 2025-04-19T16:16:52+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/]] How dare they.

Greyskybluesky · 20/04/2025 10:01

CamillaMacauley · 20/04/2025 09:59

Don’t forget they also claimed it was done by someone else who was setting them up!

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Yes, apparently it was the far right wot dun it to make this crowd look bad!

Supporting women's rights is soooo far right

Brefugee · 20/04/2025 10:02

echt · 20/04/2025 01:11

ColourThief · Yesterday 19:33
Another day, another chance for mumsnet to bitch about the trans community🥱

There is no mumsnet, only individual posters.
Posters are not "bitching" about the trans community, whatever the fuck that is. They're drawing attention to the behaviour of violent men.
And less of the "bitching", which is both misogynistic and demeaning of the objections made by so many on this thread.

HTH

the whole "mumsnet" is transphobic
but
even though nobody is calling them out, most of the people on those marches aren't violent fuckers.

The doublethink is strong in the TRAs

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2025 10:02

People are allowed to protest.

Criminal Damage is illegal though and if you damage something as part of a protest you take on the risk of being caught and punished within the law.

If this wasn't the case, then anyone could just damage anything and claim it was their legitimate right to key their neighbours car because they had the wrong beliefs....

Waitwhat23 · 20/04/2025 10:03

Micaela64 · 20/04/2025 09:54

That was few people out of how many? All you lot do is focus on a few isolated incidents to tar everyone with the same brush. It's what you always do with trans people and what ignorant people have done to minority groups since the beginning of time. It's the oldest trick in the book.

Racists did the same at the BLM protest, focusing on a few extreme signs and not everyone else.

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Hatred of women is a feature of trans rights activism. We're horrified but totally unsurprised by these signs (numerous, promoted by those who hold positions of power, and at events across the country) because there is numerous precedent. It's not a one off, or a few 'bad eggs'. It's the underlying feature of a movement which hates women.

You don't see (equivalent) signs like that at women's rights events.

Why do you think that is?

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:04

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity
The trans community are also very worryingly over-represented as victims of violent crime and harassment.

I can see why they are protesting, even though I see the need for protecting safe spaces as I have said in several posts.

I can see the flaws in what the teams community are asking for and why the ruling was made this week. However I dislike the sneering, mocking aggressive tone to the trans community.

And yes there will be some bad eggs in the community, as in any community... It doesn't mean they are one homogeneous group.

I get very frustrated when people insist complex issues are straightforward.

Context and characteristics of hostility towards sexual orientation and transgender identity | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

Naunet · 20/04/2025 10:04

Micaela64 · 20/04/2025 09:54

That was few people out of how many? All you lot do is focus on a few isolated incidents to tar everyone with the same brush. It's what you always do with trans people and what ignorant people have done to minority groups since the beginning of time. It's the oldest trick in the book.

Racists did the same at the BLM protest, focusing on a few extreme signs and not everyone else.

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Wasn't a few people at all, did you forget all the vile chants? We've seen it with our own eyes, they are vile, woman hating, male supremacists.

borntobequiet · 20/04/2025 10:04

Micaela64 · 20/04/2025 09:54

That was few people out of how many? All you lot do is focus on a few isolated incidents to tar everyone with the same brush. It's what you always do with trans people and what ignorant people have done to minority groups since the beginning of time. It's the oldest trick in the book.

Racists did the same at the BLM protest, focusing on a few extreme signs and not everyone else.

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Why should people not object to such manifestations of violent thought in any circumstances?

Nice try with the racism equivalence.

BabyOrca · 20/04/2025 10:07

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:04

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity
The trans community are also very worryingly over-represented as victims of violent crime and harassment.

I can see why they are protesting, even though I see the need for protecting safe spaces as I have said in several posts.

I can see the flaws in what the teams community are asking for and why the ruling was made this week. However I dislike the sneering, mocking aggressive tone to the trans community.

And yes there will be some bad eggs in the community, as in any community... It doesn't mean they are one homogeneous group.

I get very frustrated when people insist complex issues are straightforward.

Take it up with the perpetrators of the crimes: men.

Women are sick of cleaning up after you.

Naunet · 20/04/2025 10:08

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:04

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity
The trans community are also very worryingly over-represented as victims of violent crime and harassment.

I can see why they are protesting, even though I see the need for protecting safe spaces as I have said in several posts.

I can see the flaws in what the teams community are asking for and why the ruling was made this week. However I dislike the sneering, mocking aggressive tone to the trans community.

And yes there will be some bad eggs in the community, as in any community... It doesn't mean they are one homogeneous group.

I get very frustrated when people insist complex issues are straightforward.

You think those angry agressive men are likely to be victims of harassment?! They're just professional cry bullies. Not women's problem either way.

Randomer27 · 20/04/2025 10:08

My sign said Dykes for Trans Rights

Can I check which specific rights you are talking about? Is it the rights and protections due to them under the protected characteristic of Gender Reassignment (already there and supported) or the protected characteristic protections due to them to their sex. (already there and supported) or something additional.

If something additional what is it, and why is it their right, especially if it comes at the expense of others?

Brefugee · 20/04/2025 10:09

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 08:44

Some biological women are violent, nobody is going around demanding anyone condemns them.

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show us.

We have repeatedly said we are NOT ok with violence in any direction.
Show us the men with the broken cheekbones, cuts and bruises inflicted by women on a LWS event. I'm not holding my breath

caramac04 · 20/04/2025 10:09

They hate us but want to be us. They cannot be and never will be women.
This outpouring of hate really shows their true colours.

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:10

Waitwhat23 · 20/04/2025 10:03

Hatred of women is a feature of trans rights activism. We're horrified but totally unsurprised by these signs (numerous, promoted by those who hold positions of power, and at events across the country) because there is numerous precedent. It's not a one off, or a few 'bad eggs'. It's the underlying feature of a movement which hates women.

You don't see (equivalent) signs like that at women's rights events.

Why do you think that is?

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You see the more extreme placards etc at any protest.
My understanding is that it is not women in general the trans community feel aggrieved by, it is the section of women that won't accept their community. I'm not saying which side of this argument is correct, I can see both sides.

I do think the argument that the trans community hate all women is just a lazy interpretation. Feminists don't hate men, but will vocally attack men who promote inequality for women.

I do feel as though Mumsnet has become a very different place in recent years. It used to be somewhere that people would do isten to a range of viewpoints, agree disagree whatever... But not this hysterical mob mentality.

Brefugee · 20/04/2025 10:12

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 08:51

That third space doesn't currently exist though, hence the current debate

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well. The good news is - ask women who know about women's history about this - that you can campaign and campaign and campaign and eventually you get that space.

Women have repeatedly said we are happy to help campaign for 3rd spaces. But what is the reply? Crickets, that's what.

Naunet · 20/04/2025 10:12

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:10

You see the more extreme placards etc at any protest.
My understanding is that it is not women in general the trans community feel aggrieved by, it is the section of women that won't accept their community. I'm not saying which side of this argument is correct, I can see both sides.

I do think the argument that the trans community hate all women is just a lazy interpretation. Feminists don't hate men, but will vocally attack men who promote inequality for women.

I do feel as though Mumsnet has become a very different place in recent years. It used to be somewhere that people would do isten to a range of viewpoints, agree disagree whatever... But not this hysterical mob mentality.

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The actual hysterical mob, were the lads and their dim handmaidens, out protesting women having rights yesterday.

BabyOrca · 20/04/2025 10:13

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:10

You see the more extreme placards etc at any protest.
My understanding is that it is not women in general the trans community feel aggrieved by, it is the section of women that won't accept their community. I'm not saying which side of this argument is correct, I can see both sides.

I do think the argument that the trans community hate all women is just a lazy interpretation. Feminists don't hate men, but will vocally attack men who promote inequality for women.

I do feel as though Mumsnet has become a very different place in recent years. It used to be somewhere that people would do isten to a range of viewpoints, agree disagree whatever... But not this hysterical mob mentality.

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There's nothing hysterical about us and I would urge you to keep your misogynistic adjectives in check if you're hoping to pass for impartial.

TheOtherRaven · 20/04/2025 10:14

It's always bizarre watching the lengths to which people will go to blind themselves to the bleeding obvious.

How many women need to be hurt? Well n+1 cos reasons

How many placards threatening GBH and death to women (at EVERY SINGLE RALLY) before it's a bit unacceptable? Well n+1 cos reasons.

The bottom line is that women don't matter, men do. Just own your sexism ffs. If you think that men have a value that women don't have the guts to own it.

Æthelred · 20/04/2025 10:14

I've just watched some of the footage.

They wonder why real women felt uncomfortable having them in their bathroom spaces.

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:15

caramac04 · 20/04/2025 10:09

They hate us but want to be us. They cannot be and never will be women.
This outpouring of hate really shows their true colours.

Can you see why that stance is aggrevating.. haha I've got what you want, and you can never have it...
Could you imagine if a man said that to a group of women, or a white person to a group of black people, or an able bodied person to a group of disabled people.
A couple of generations ago you could have a heterosexual couple saying that to a same sex couple.

And yet I still see the argument about the safe places. The nuance here is that women have historically been the disempowered group hence the creation of safe spaces and that creates a new element to this situation in my opinion.

Waitwhat23 · 20/04/2025 10:15

My understanding is that it is not women in general the trans community feel aggrieved by, it is the section of women that won't accept their community.

You probably don't mean this to be, but this is very telling.

Capitulate your single sex services so that anyone can self id into them women or you 'deserve' the violent threats isn't a great look.

TheKeatingFive · 20/04/2025 10:16

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:10

You see the more extreme placards etc at any protest.
My understanding is that it is not women in general the trans community feel aggrieved by, it is the section of women that won't accept their community. I'm not saying which side of this argument is correct, I can see both sides.

I do think the argument that the trans community hate all women is just a lazy interpretation. Feminists don't hate men, but will vocally attack men who promote inequality for women.

I do feel as though Mumsnet has become a very different place in recent years. It used to be somewhere that people would do isten to a range of viewpoints, agree disagree whatever... But not this hysterical mob mentality.

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You see the more extreme placards etc at any protest

That's simply not true. None of the LWS events had anything remotely like this, despite being faced with it. Take some responsibility for the behaviour of the people you are cheerleading here.

BabyOrca · 20/04/2025 10:16

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:15

Can you see why that stance is aggrevating.. haha I've got what you want, and you can never have it...
Could you imagine if a man said that to a group of women, or a white person to a group of black people, or an able bodied person to a group of disabled people.
A couple of generations ago you could have a heterosexual couple saying that to a same sex couple.

And yet I still see the argument about the safe places. The nuance here is that women have historically been the disempowered group hence the creation of safe spaces and that creates a new element to this situation in my opinion.

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I just want to be clear here: in the ckntexg of this issue, are you advocating for drawing direct comparisons between gender and ethnicity?

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 10:17

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TheKeatingFive · 20/04/2025 10:17

Æthelred · 20/04/2025 10:14

I've just watched some of the footage.

They wonder why real women felt uncomfortable having them in their bathroom spaces.

They couldn't care less about the comfort of women. They just want to bludgeon them into submission.

IthasYes · 20/04/2025 10:17

" Your just jealous my dicks bigger than your boyfriend and my tits are bigger than yours*

Another placard from gentle timid scared trans activists.