TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

[Peony1897]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

ColourThief · Yesterday 19:33
Another day, another chance for mumsnet to bitch about the trans community🥱

1. There is no mumsnet, only individual posters.
2. Posters are not "bitching" about the trans community, whatever the fuck that is. They're drawing attention to the behaviour of violent men.
3. And less of the "bitching", which is both misogynistic and demeaning of the objections made by so many on this thread.

HTH

In order to actually think that transwomen in general need access to women's spaces you need to believe that somehow a poor unfortunate female was accidentally born in a male body. I simply don't believe that happens and neither seriously does anyone else. So all transwomen are and remain male and ultimately men. I do have sympathy for their psychological angst the way I would for anyone who suffers mentally and I even appreciate that living "as women" as best they can might be the best option for them.

However that sympathy stops short when it comes to males in women's spaces, sports or representation. Where else are we asked to accommodate something that is patently untrue in a way that affects our rights in order to help someone sustain an internal illusion? Why are women being asked to do this for men?
It doesn't matter if they are perverts or not or how nice they are it doesn't change the fact that they are men and our kindness in calling them "women" was just a curtesy they took advantage of. Those demanding to access women's spaces are trying to silence women, roll back women's right and are obviously happy to transgress women's boundaries which is quite frankly very male behaviour. As far as I can tell their are very few transwomen who accept they aren't actually women and should stay out of women's spaces, sports and so on.

Agreed.

If only they had the benefit of google. We used to say Malaga airport but now we can say AGP. Maybe the be kinders should read the trans widows support threads and learn how to be kind? If only they would.

Honestly I’m ashamed of these hand wringers. I’m ashamed. Come to Yorkshire. Get out of your bubble. Come and meet the daughters of Millicent. It isn’t what you think. Lots of us are under the heel of the patriarchy and nobody is flying a flag for us. We are caring for children, parents and we never had the chance of the education you think we did. Come and find us. Come and wave your flags. We won’t be there because we don’t have time.

What have your trans and non binary friends and relatives said about these disgusting men who are so outraged that the Supreme Court said that women have the right to exist in law that their minds immediately turned to violent and dirty protest?

Presumably they have loudly condemned this horrible behaviour that has taken place in their name, right?

Very well said.

I know! An academic, presumably with a PhD, and all the common sense of a stick of candyfloss!

Running UCU! Thank god I don't work in a university these days and need to belong to a union.

So one minute the trans crowd are telling us that words are “literal violence”.

And then the next they’re telling is that these protests weren’t violent. Even though there were a lot of bad words, nasty placards and oh a couple of pesky women who got assaulted 🤷‍♀️. Even without the assaults would the words not be “literal violence”.

We’ve seen evidence of this violent intimidation at almost every women’s public meeting.

Remember the incident in Manchester, when women making an anti-rape protest were intimidated and nearly physically attacked (threatened with violence) by TRAs. Showing themselves to be MRAs.

Men, trying to stop a women’s protest against male violence. So progressive.

Such a shame they can’t find a way to be less disgusting

I cancelled my UCU membership three years ago and joined Affinity for legal protection.

I had been a member of zNATFHE/UCU for 30 years. I ticked the ‘dissatisfied’ option to explain my decision. I wondered if anyone would contact me as a long standing member - no one did. If that is how much my membership mattered to UCU I wished I’d cancelled years before.

Agreed - but no academic needs to be in UCU. Quite a few of us have joined Affinity.

I expect nothing less from men.

Well it’s like gender ideology - none of it stand up to even the gentlest of questioning.

Good. It's a long time since I was a UCU member but they were as much use as a chocolate fireguard when our place made an absolute hash of the Pay and Modernisation process to put all staff onto one payscale. What with that and the constant breastbeating about Israel and Palestine in the manifesto pledges of candidates for election with far less said about pay, pensions and working conditions, I gave up on them.

They are genuinely disturbed.

You need to be getting angry with those people, not the women to whom this thuggery is being directed. We have every right to our single sex spaces and we have every right to be disgusted by the behaviour of these people.

I agree, @LadyBracknellsHandbagg
@Diverze - get angry with the thugs doing this in your child's name, not the women standing up to defend themselves.

What you mean is that you expect women to be above this, women are supposed to be better than this, in the face of this disgusting, intimidating, violent behaviour?

It’s a good job that we are isn’t it? It’s a good job that we can manage to act responsibly, intelligently and factually because that’s how we defeat this hideous, dangerous ideology.

Maybe you could try condemning the behaviour of these people instead of scolding and lecturing the women who are affected by it.

Do you outright condemn these people? Do you think their behaviour is disgraceful? Do you believe that women are entitled to single sex spaces? Do you acknowledge and agree with the ruling of the Supreme Court, that sex is biological?

If you are saying that your child has no part in this then I believe you, but if you are not prepared to condemn these people then I don’t know what you expect from us here?

Why is your gentle, peaceful trans child on this protest in the first place then?

Because that protest is not calling for gentleness and peace.

It is calling for women to be forced to change in front of males, it is calling for women to be forced to see men naked, it is calling for women at support groups to be forced to recount their experience of male sexual violence in front of men, it is calling for women to have to share bedrooms with males in women only accommodation, it is calling for women to have to share prisons with males, it is calling for women and girls to be told they are allowed no boundaries, it is calling for them to ignore their instincts when they feel unsafe or that they are being violated. It is calling for women to be placed at harm to benefit men.

That is not gentle or peaceful. You don’t get a free pass on supporting all that because you help out at a community garden.

There is literally nothing in that judgement to make your child feel scared. If they are scared it’s because they have been listening to the lies of one side. And not listening to the other side. And it was a choice of theirs to do that.

My Ex H was autistic. So I understand well that your child’s iteration of autism MAY mean that the only perspective and experience that exists to them is their own. They may have rigid and inflexible thinking that makes it extremely challenging for them to alter their views or opinions. But you see, those of us who have lived with people with these iterations of autism get really tired of being told how we have to squash and suppress ourselves to support the autistic spouse. We get tired of damaging ourselves to be their human support animals. We know that our partners may lack intention to treat us abusively, but it still feels the same as being abused by someone who has intention.

So sorry, your child is engaging in activism to prevent women being kept safe from real harm. That is not a gentle and peaceful act. Your child does not have to hold a violent placard. By being on that action they are saying women being placed at risk and harm is how society should be.

So true

• There are no “shades of grey”, as confirmed by the highest court in the land
• Women have not uttered death threats, assaulted or hounded anyone out of her job for her perfectly legal beliefs
• Women have attempted to safeguard children whereas the trans movement has tried to convince them that they can be something they cannot via damaging and mutilating surgery and hormones
• Women have engaged in rational dialogue, have fact and science on their side and been unsupported by the media and captured institutions, whereas the trans movement has threatened, bullied and lied in order to gain support from people and institutions too credulous for their own good

And you think there is equivalence?