Page 14 | TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

Peony1897 · 2025-04-19T16:16:52+00:00

[[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/]] How dare they.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/04/2025 00:06

Peony1897 · 19/04/2025 23:36

I’m so bored of the ‘both sides’ stuff, like we are obligated to consider the needs of men because they have a valid argument. They don’t. They’re trying to push their way into spaces and rights created for us because of THEIR actions.

Btw any news of Glinner? Seeing as so few men have risked their reputations to support us perhaps they deserve their own roll call thread?

He did an interview in the Times

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/graham-linehan-it-will-take-decades-to-undo-the-trans-movement-damage-wqts5rg7f

Graham Linehan: It will take decades to undo the trans movement damage

The co-creator of The IT Crowd and Father Ted celebrated the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling on trans women this week, after years of being cast out over his views

https://www.thetimes.com/life-style/celebrity/article/graham-linehan-it-will-take-decades-to-undo-the-trans-movement-damage-wqts5rg7f

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Peony1897 · 20/04/2025 00:07

Edinburgh today

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Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:09

Is the consensus that all/most trans women are creepy, perverted and trying to silence/disrespect women’s boundaries?

Or is this perhaps just a minority of people within the trans community? I know it’s unfair and almost impossible to generalise a whole community of people, I think they make up about 50,000 of the British population so obviously will vary individually. But specifically for the women who support the Supreme Court ruling, is your support based on the belief that all/most trans women are like how I described in the first sentence? Or do you think a small few are ruining it for the rest?

spannasaurus · 20/04/2025 00:13

My support is based on the fact that all transwomen are men

aylis · 20/04/2025 00:13

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:09

Is the consensus that all/most trans women are creepy, perverted and trying to silence/disrespect women’s boundaries?

Or is this perhaps just a minority of people within the trans community? I know it’s unfair and almost impossible to generalise a whole community of people, I think they make up about 50,000 of the British population so obviously will vary individually. But specifically for the women who support the Supreme Court ruling, is your support based on the belief that all/most trans women are like how I described in the first sentence? Or do you think a small few are ruining it for the rest?

The point is that like all males, we can't tell who the good ones are and the bad ones are. The reasons for excluding males from the female sex category apply across the entire male board.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2025 00:15

It’s funny to see the coolest of the cool girls hand waving away the violent fantasies, threats and misogyny of some really grim, abusive men. Well, no, not funny. But something.

Waitwhat23 · 20/04/2025 00:16

Look at the 4th photo on Jo Grady's Twitter post -

https://x.com/DrJoGrady/status/1913614755039699341

While saying 'hate will never win'

Edited to add - I've just realised that this may have been posted already but still, fucking hell.

https://x.com/DrJoGrady/status/1913614755039699341

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Peony1897 · 20/04/2025 00:17

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:09

Is the consensus that all/most trans women are creepy, perverted and trying to silence/disrespect women’s boundaries?

Or is this perhaps just a minority of people within the trans community? I know it’s unfair and almost impossible to generalise a whole community of people, I think they make up about 50,000 of the British population so obviously will vary individually. But specifically for the women who support the Supreme Court ruling, is your support based on the belief that all/most trans women are like how I described in the first sentence? Or do you think a small few are ruining it for the rest?

Transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders than ‘male identifying men’. Make of that what you will.

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Chickensky · 20/04/2025 00:17

@Dusk22 please see my quote above to hopefully answer?

Chickensky · 20/04/2025 00:19

Chickensky · 19/04/2025 23:38

I agree, I have no idea why this hasn't been the stance for years. To say it again, all the ruling has done is clarify that biological women have protected rights, trans people have protected rights. The clarification is that trans people do not have sexed based rights and (for purposes of this thread to focus on transwomen) as not being in the sex class of women then why would the community have not campaigned for own spaces, services, etc. Why trample down the hard won rights of women? It's bizarrely ironic yet again that a minority looks to take the physical space of another minority? A minority who without all this vitriol would have looked and understood the history and hard won battles. But instead there has been this willful ignoring of the law, creating confusion, polarisation.

Even having said that, the reduction of seeing women reduced to "wombs and titties", "we pee where we want" the defacing of the statue "lobotomies", "I will make you listen( bullet holes)" it is very clear that some "transwomen" are taking the focus away from peaceful transwomen.

Surely, the action isn't anger against the clarification of the law (and biology) surely it is action to move towards trans space, trans services, trans sport, not women's? Why is being "trans" not worth fighting for? It is already protected by the Equality Act.

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@Dusk22

Chickensky · 20/04/2025 00:22

My point being why is being trans not worth fighting for? Rather than to eradicate hard won rights by another minority? Women. We have fight hard for our places in society as I suspect some of you and your friends have had to.

miraxxx · 20/04/2025 00:24

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:09

Is the consensus that all/most trans women are creepy, perverted and trying to silence/disrespect women’s boundaries?

Or is this perhaps just a minority of people within the trans community? I know it’s unfair and almost impossible to generalise a whole community of people, I think they make up about 50,000 of the British population so obviously will vary individually. But specifically for the women who support the Supreme Court ruling, is your support based on the belief that all/most trans women are like how I described in the first sentence? Or do you think a small few are ruining it for the rest?

I have only seen violence and dismissal from ALL trans activists and organisations towards gender-realist women over the years. I have only seen people like you trying to minimise it instead of being ashamed and condemning bad stuff from your team and having the brazen cheek to scold women for it. I draw the only conclusion I can.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2025 00:27

I imagine most people in the country support the Supreme Court ruling, given that polls show the public in the majority support genuinely single sex spaces.

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:37

Peony1897 · 20/04/2025 00:17

Transwomen are more likely to be sex offenders than ‘male identifying men’. Make of that what you will.

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Oh wow, that is quite shocking tbh

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:39

miraxxx · 20/04/2025 00:24

I have only seen violence and dismissal from ALL trans activists and organisations towards gender-realist women over the years. I have only seen people like you trying to minimise it instead of being ashamed and condemning bad stuff from your team and having the brazen cheek to scold women for it. I draw the only conclusion I can.

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People like me? I’m not some trans activist if that’s what you think 🤣
I’m just curious about the whole thing, have seen a lot of different opinions on social media this week and wasn’t something I’ve ever given any thought to previously.

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Peony1897 · 20/04/2025 00:40

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:37

Oh wow, that is quite shocking tbh

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I don’t think it is.

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CrossPurposes · 20/04/2025 00:42

If we concede that these horrible placards are not representative of the majority of transwomen's attitudes then this minority are exactly the ones we don't want in our spaces. So they all need to keep out just in case.

Fimofriend · 20/04/2025 00:43

Theeyeballsinthesky · 19/04/2025 17:58

Ah the beeeee kiiiiind RSOH strike again

ironically of course the fawcett society is completely TWAW

But it would degrade those delicate flowers to inform themselves about the history of women's struggle to get rights. They don't want us to have any rights at all.

Also: Shame on the Fawcett Society for being a bunch of handmaidens! How dare they sully the memory of Fawcett!

aylis · 20/04/2025 00:44

Grammarnut · 19/04/2025 22:59

It's also a crafty smoke behind the bike shed. But yes it's a slur. Elsewhere I said that it would not surprise me if TRAs/transpeople wrote 'fag rights' on a statue of a woman as trans ideology is homophobic (in addition to being misogynistic).

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It is incredibly homophobic - gay people have been subsumed into a big generic 'queer' sludge. It's also biphobic, with the constant implication that because we like both women and men that we shouldn't make any distinctions or see any differences and that sex doesn't matter. It's just a rebranded 'bi people are greedy'. What do they have that ultimately isn't just same old prejudice rebranded? Their 'movement' is misogynistic and sexist. Homophobic and biphobic. Constantly indulging in misogynoir. Ableist. Ageist.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/04/2025 00:46

CrossPurposes · 20/04/2025 00:42

If we concede that these horrible placards are not representative of the majority of transwomen's attitudes then this minority are exactly the ones we don't want in our spaces. So they all need to keep out just in case.

if this is a minority of the ‘trans community’, then we can presumably expect statements from members of their majority denouncing these placards and the vandalism of the statues?

BiologicalRobot · 20/04/2025 00:50

Dusk22 · 20/04/2025 00:09

Is the consensus that all/most trans women are creepy, perverted and trying to silence/disrespect women’s boundaries?

Or is this perhaps just a minority of people within the trans community? I know it’s unfair and almost impossible to generalise a whole community of people, I think they make up about 50,000 of the British population so obviously will vary individually. But specifically for the women who support the Supreme Court ruling, is your support based on the belief that all/most trans women are like how I described in the first sentence? Or do you think a small few are ruining it for the rest?

How can you tell who is a good man and who isn't?
How can you tell who is a good TW and who isn't?

If you have to keep one bad male out then you need to keep them all out, and since males (of any kind) commit 98% ?(definitely high 90s) of all violent crimes it's a no brainer really.

Fimofriend · 20/04/2025 00:51

ColourThief · 19/04/2025 19:33

Another day, another chance for mumsnet to bitch about the trans community 🥱

You just have no empathy for women at all, do you?

Well excuse us for not being okay with men threatening us. Again.

Gowlett · 20/04/2025 00:53

As long as I never have to describe myself as her / she.

JandamiHash · 20/04/2025 00:54

ColourThief · 19/04/2025 19:33

Another day, another chance for mumsnet to bitch about the trans community 🥱

Gosh I know, we should know our place really and not talk about important issues that affect us. We should just STFU, talk about air fryers, nappies and children with iPads like good little wimmin and NEVER challenge the Amazing Men

SinisterBumFacedCat · 20/04/2025 01:09

If it’s a small minority who hold these placards with extreme views why on earth aren’t the other people there telling them not to. Why is it they can call for someone with a different opinion to be hung or burnt to death and nobody says a word against it? Is this not incitement to violence against women?