TRAs deface Millicent Fawcett statue

[Peony1897]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/19/transgender-activists-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue/

How dare they.

And they wonder why we don’t want to share our spaces with them

No, lesbians come in one sex: women. Biological females who fancy other biological females.

Ooo but what about the new , exciting, modern lesbians ,not the old fashioned female ones ( soooo last century). They're obviously male and they have a cock but that just a tiny detail we're supposed to ignore isn't it.

Made me laugh, thank you.

As my husband ( biological male and very happy about it said ) " They've pissed on their chips a bit there haven't they"

It should be made clear under every report of those signs that terfs are women. Report that ' this sign is advocating women be hanged' ' this sign advocates women be burned as witches.' Stop letting them hide behind terfs. Demonstrate loud and clear what they mean by them. It should be in every news report.

DH said the police probably haven’t arrested them as they’re all arguing over who has to do the intimate searches now their female colleagues don’t have to

ETA this was written in response to @Brefugee on the previous page, she asked what my point was in posting here. the quotation hasn't copied over. Just to give context. My answer is in good faith.

Many years ago I learned about IC thinking. This is integrative complexity thinking. Research shows that when any group becomes polarised and sees only it's own viewpoint, this increases the risk of violence and conflict (physical and verbal). Low IC thinking is the best predictor of whether a conflict will become violent or resolve peacefully.

I happen to believe that understanding shades of grey and the viewpoint of the other group - even if one disagrees with it - is important in conflict resolution. And I guess I have skin in the game for the peaceful resolution of this conflict. I recognise that third spaces are the most possible way ahead.

I just find the contempt and vilification of both sides very difficult. And yes the TRA side has more violent imagery and threats, but just reading this thread shows that a lot of women have become very contemptuous and no longer see the humanity in ordinary trans people who are not activists.

Anyway I am hanging up my own moderate activist boots. Shall leave you guys to it and avoid the hostility.

https://www.icthinking.psychol.cam.ac.uk/about-ic-thinking

There are no shades of grey in whether men can be women.

I would imagine dealing with an aggressive , angry male is a very unpleasant experience for any policeman and , as the TRAs are ably demonstrating today, a man in a dress is no less nasty than a man in a pair of jeans.

Transwomen are men
Transmen are women.
There is such thing as non binary. Nothing grey there. No nuances there.

No such thing as non binary

Or shades of grey in the fact that sex is an axis of oppression in which female people are the oppressed sex. I feel this keeps being skipped over. The issue is not a big general 'who is discriminated against and has a hard time', it is very, very specifically about how people are treated because of their sex.

We’ve spent a good 15 years being told to STFU and budge up to let men colonise our spaces. We don’t owe anybody niceties anymore.

Exactly, it flows one way and one way alone. That’s why we don’t see men rising up to fight for their rights here, as transmen are zero threat to them and they know it.

They have just proved why women needed these rights in the first place....

It was never trans people, it was always angry entitled mysoginistic men.

No both sides ffs! It is one side that again and again uses violent rhetoric and actual violence against women. You were here trying to minimise it. Shame on you.

I’m so bored of the ‘both sides’ stuff, like we are obligated to consider the needs of men because they have a valid argument. They don’t. They’re trying to push their way into spaces and rights created for us because of THEIR actions.

Btw any news of Glinner? Seeing as so few men have risked their reputations to support us perhaps they deserve their own roll call thread?

I'm all for the shades of grey, and also the shades of vermillion and peacock and gold.

I just think we need to completely separate the language of sex from the language of gender altogether, because there cannot be a single word that encompasses both my understanding of myself as a woman for the reason that I have a female body and woman is the name for people with that body and that is a basic physical fact about me regardless of how I think or feel or dress or act, and a transwoman's understanding of herself as a woman even though (s)he does not have a female body but entirely because of how (s)he thinks or feels or acts.

Those two concepts are mutually exclusive. They cannot both exist in the same framework. We need to separate the reality of being female and the supports and rights that female people need from the reality of being whatever trans (and self identified cis-) women are experincing that they call womanhood. Both can exost, but not under the same name trying to share the same rights, protections and social and political voice.

I agree, I have no idea why this hasn't been the stance for years. To say it again, all the ruling has done is clarify that biological women have protected rights, trans people have protected rights. The clarification is that trans people do not have sexed based rights and (for purposes of this thread to focus on transwomen) as not being in the sex class of women then why would the community have not campaigned for own spaces, services, etc. Why trample down the hard won rights of women? It's bizarrely ironic yet again that a minority looks to take the physical space of another minority? A minority who without all this vitriol would have looked and understood the history and hard won battles. But instead there has been this willful ignoring of the law, creating confusion, polarisation.

Even having said that, the reduction of seeing women reduced to "wombs and titties", "we pee where we want" the defacing of the statue "lobotomies", "I will make you listen( bullet holes)" it is very clear that some "transwomen" are taking the focus away from peaceful transwomen.

Surely, the action isn't anger against the clarification of the law (and biology) surely it is action to move towards trans space, trans services, trans sport, not women's? Why is being "trans" not worth fighting for? It is already protected by the Equality Act.

I’m guessing by your comment this didn’t happen then.

Many if those placards are far more aggressive and inciting violence than any I spotted at pro Palestinian marches
So what’s going on ? !
Are the police turning a blind eye…….is that even allowed!

It just goes to show doesn't it ? The TRA movement has always been about hatred of women and girls.

I wonder how many of those placard wavers Starmer is going to fast track into court and prison centres? You know, like he insisted for the migrant rioters and Internet posters (councillor's wife, forgot her name). Surely Hatred is Hatred...?

Yes it should.

They’re apparently so worried about their safety and being able to go out in public etc, that they are asking to be protected because they’re so vulnerable (and as a consequence, trampling all over women’s spaces is no problem at all).

However it’s apparently also absolutely fine for them to threaten the women who had a bit of a problem with this and quite rightly felt vulnerable and suggesting those women should be hanged/burnt is a completely reasonable and proportionate response and doesn’t in anyway indicate the women may have had a point.

The irony is completely lost on them. The entitlement is real, and nothing says they’re male louder than a bit of male entitlement and misogyny.

There's actually two near identical noose placards. Was there a TRA memo or something?

And we're meant to be endlessly kind to people who threaten to hang, decapitate and shoot us.

No. Fuck that.