To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

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Seriously.

The news is full of people worrying about how the SC ruling will affect people who identify as trans.

Where are they? Not in my office (large organisation), my family or social groups. I don't come across any in the village where I live or when I go into town.

DD is at university and doesn't know any trans people.

Surely, I can't be the only one?

What human rights are denied to trans people?
Not holding my breath for an answer, it seems to elude even the ones screaming loudest for it.

@Positivitank Unfortunately for you, most gender critical women like me know our shit. We've educated ourselves to use a phrase so beloved by TRAs. Sadly for them, we are all about facts, not feelings.

How saying that "sex" refers to the human biology (as it does for all other species on this planet) equals being "unkind to trans people"? I fail to understand.

Trans people can live as they want and should accept that single sex spaces means just that - spaces for one sex only. I have sympathy for all of trans people and would always stand up against discrimination of minorities but I'm not "cis" and I dont believe humans can change sex and I believe women should have women only safe spaces based purely on their biology and not on gender ideology.

One transwomen. Abandoned his wife and two young kids to fuck off to another country.

Lots of surgery. Going for the porn star look. Still looks like a man.

Back to the Dark Ages? You mean 20 years ago, when the numbers of openly trans people, especially those born female, was minuscule and it had only just become possible to get a Gender Recognition Certificate and Parliament had passed that because it was assured that no more than about 4 or 5000 people would ever qualify for one? When it was vanishingly rare for schools to have to contend with this and when a father claiming that he had been able to breastfeed his baby after taking a cocktail of drugs would not have been celebrated as a civil rights pioneer but referred to Social Services?

We have regressed. I am in my 60s. When I was a young woman nobody blinked an eye at men wearing makeup and having long hair, or women wearing stereotypically male clothing and having short hair. Gender nonconforming behaviour was accepted and nobody tried to suggest it was a sign that the person doing it was actually the opposite sex. We need to get back to that now.

Insisting that your preferred gender is recognised in law (and not just as part of the social contract of a tolerant society), is not a human right.

Why is so much emphasis on toilets? I don’t care as much about toilets, I care about ensuring sexual assault survivors can have a women only support group without men (LARPing as women) present. I care that refuges can be single sex spaces without the risk of a man (LARPing as a woman) present. I care about female prisons being for female prisoners only. I care about women’s sports being only for women. I care about preserving what ‘woman’ means in the workplace and ensuring a man (LARPing as a woman) doesn’t take a woman’s place.

If men who think their women want and need safe spaces of their own, here’s a radical idea - create your own. Don’t take ours!

Please show your stats. You are making things up. Only a handful of trans were murdered (mostly in the sex/drug trade) last year. However, 60 thousand females per year are murdered. Trans are the safest group there is. In fact , they are more likely to murder than be murdered.

And yet again, the fear is of MALE people. Not 'trans'.

No-one is born in the wrong body. And body dysphoria is a mental health condition, not a physical one which is why SRS and/or hormones so rarely works and makes the dysphoria worse.

Thus is a really important point - gender dysphoria is treated totally differently to other forms of body dysmorphia. The ‘affirmation only’ model of treatment has done so much damage.
Can you imagine a psychiatrist treating a patient with anorexia who has body dysmorphia, and telling them ‘yes, yes - you’re too fat, keep starving yourself. In fact, here’s some diet pills’.
It would be a disgrace.
And yet, that is the method being used on young people in gender clinics who claim to have gender dysphoria. No questioning is allowed, any disagreement is bigotry, and often they are put on untested hormone treatment.
It’s completely bonkers, and a medical scandal.

This. Transwomen are biological men, transmen are biological women and both men and women can see this instantly. There are spaces for men and spaces for women . Transwomen are men and need to use the spaces designated for men.

Of course no one suggested it was OK to be unkind to trans people but you can't justify a tantrum about having privileges, which have been abused and you were never entitled to, removed if you don't frame the ruling as hateful.

Not a single women's rights group campaigned to have gender reassignment removed as a protected characteristic from the EA. I was unlawful to discriminate against trans people before the judgement and it's still unlawful.

Stonewall, on the other hand, did lobby the government to remove sex from the EA.

Every accusation is a confession.

I actually think this would have played out differently without the Covid lockdown. My 20 year old turned 14 during lockdown, suddenly all these kids spent a lot of time alone in their rooms on the internet. The girl who is crowdfunding (not very successfully) for a double mastectomy certainly spent too much time online. dd talked about her very sudden behaviour changes and the things she said in their group chats. Looking back, I can see how it happened and that there were clear warning signs.

It’s well known that teenage girls in particular are susceptible to going along with trends of their peers. I think you’re right that there was a convergence of Covid, and social media brainwashing for many of these young people.

I came across several through work. The FtM, biologically female, all citing the same concerns as feminists regarding the difficulty of being female and wanting to opt out and have a safer easier life with fewer responsibilities. Many of them questioning themselves and having depression. The MtF all citing their ‘lady feels’ in their heads and being rather more demanding, and wanting to flaunt sexuality. All hooked on the internet of course.

It just underlined to me that sex-based behaviour differences are vast, and men have life easier.

That is unfortunately very true

There are 3 in ds year in a small middle school in a rural area

They're not trans - they're going through a phase or are autistic or have mental health issues and should be helped with their issues, not be allowed to change their names/pronouns. I hope the girls aren't forced to change in front of the boys who say they are trans.

You're correct about terminology. Historically, men who presented as women fell into one of two categories: transvestites, men who liked to dress in women's clothes, and transsexuals, those living as women who were taking steps to FULLY transition into the opposite sex (so, visually, top AND bottom).

Transgender is a newer movement where a transwoman will live 'as a woman' and undergo many gender reassignment surgeries and feminisation treatments without necessarily going 'the whole hog' as it were.
It's where the whole 'her penis' rhetoric came from - and one of the MANY grey areas that made the black and white SC ruling necessary.

Firstly, please stop using dangerous and unscientific cult-speak. No one is "assigned" a sex at birth. As soon as the sperm enters the ova, the sex is set and 'assigned'. It is then observed at birth or earlier at the ultrasound scans.

Secondly, female rights and spaces are not responsible for your friend being misgendered. We are not to blame for that so stop gaslighting us. Lastly, most females who are mis-sexed have no problem with it, shrug it off and are grateful other females care enough to check. So, yeah, I don't believe your story.

Yes, I have three children; one is at Uni ( Exeter) and doesn't know any trans people and the older 2 are teachers, 25 and 28, so admittedly fairly young to the teaching community. One teaches in London and doesn't have any trans identifying students; the other in Kent. The older one though, was at Cambridge 10 years ago and became very captured ( TWAW). We rarely talk about this now as it was so contentious, and I was surprised that she volunteered this information.

Yes, I think it was a perfect storm for this cohort. I feel for the kids that got caught up in it.

Yet a school near here had about 1 in 3 girls identifying as boys at one point - social contagion is a real thing

I don’t know any.

Mostly I think it’s down to severe mental health issues and/or attention seeking.

I think this is incredibly hard to quantify. If Bob decides to be Betty one day and turns up at work wearing a skirt and uses a unisex space for loos and changing room. It doesn’t really impact others. If Bob decides to be Betty and insists on using the woman’s changing room or gets to strip search women or provide care to woman who’ve asked for same sex care. Then clearly that’s much more impactful.

i would hazard a guess that the boundary pushers are more likely to be fetishishists seeking validation rather than genuine trans people. What we’ve found is that there don’t seem to be natural limits lesbian groups, women’s rape survivor groups, menopause groups, breastfeeding groups, women’s pools, saunas, changing rooms etc. rather that people have become emboldened over time

It’s pretty much impossible to legislate the gap so woman is a biological woman is the only sensible solution.

Exactly. Transwomen just don't have the 'right' to occupy women-only spaces. Because they're not women. Obviously.

They outright lied and thought they'd get away with it. It was a stupid try because even logic and common sense tells us that there are more people who aren't trans and hence more people who aren't trans are murdered. Trans would have to be the overwhelming majority of the population to even reach the level of murders Coinkydink said. Just a typical Mens Rights dirty liar. And not even a believable lie. I'm cringeing for them.