To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

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Seriously.

The news is full of people worrying about how the SC ruling will affect people who identify as trans.

Where are they? Not in my office (large organisation), my family or social groups. I don't come across any in the village where I live or when I go into town.

DD is at university and doesn't know any trans people.

Surely, I can't be the only one?

'Transwomen' broke the social contract around women's expectations of single sex spaces being respected. That was very unfortunate and has very unfortunate consequences.

I'm very sorry for your friend and those actions are despicable, but the answer here isn't for women to just roll over and accept men in women's spaces forever. The answer is to clarify the law and rebuild trust. The trans community will have a huge amount to do in that regard.

Lol. We can tell.

Is this supposed to be a gotcha? If so, I don't get it. They're all trans men - biological women, aren't they? If so, a non-issue as they're using the correct space for their biological sex. In fact, go to the gym with a TM. Even with a beard and lots of muscle, you can still tell they are biologically female (much like you can tell about all in the picture).

How someone walks is fundamentally different between males and females- the female pelvis naturally sways whereas males walk with a lot less lateral hip movement. Humans can accurately determine sex very easily based on walking patterns.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25548119/

I know 3 or 4, though they aren't exactly my personal friends they are 1 degree away (related to a friend for example)

This thread has made me feel sick. I feel like i have gone back to the dark ages. So ignorant and unempathetic. Do we have to experience things to be able to imagine how they feel and how difficult it might be? Ugh.
I know people who are transgender. They are just people. Be careful how unkind you are and how you mock other people's problems. I hope karma exists when I read cr)p like this.

Consensus estimates at 1 in 200 over 16 identify as a different gender, though widely considered to be an overestimate.

i live in a part of the country where we don’t even see ethnic minorities (also low percentage). So perhaps this is about your location?

I only know one through work, public sector organisation. Not sure I believe the stats tbh.

I'm trying to understand - what is the difference between the two? (genuine question)

I mean they are low proportion of the population. It’s hard to know as they stuffed up
the census but it’s under 1%. I don’t think I know a single trans person either.

This really isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

Firstly, a photograph tells you very little as these days things can be filtered etc.

Secondly, these are presumably biological females - therefore there’s no real threat to women. I’m guessing many/ all of these people are quite slight in stature and not much of a physical threat that biological men are.

The main problem really is TW, i.e biological men claiming to be women - it’s a completely different thing.

They are a threat to women, because transitioning doesn’t take away their propensity for violence - TW commit the same levels of crime than other men, because they are men.

Yep. That one was on the bingo card.

That post needs reporting as it is completely false.

I know two children who are trans, aged 12 and 14. One is a trans man and one a trans woman.

DS2 has two in his school year (aged 16)

I don’t personally know any adults, but know of a trans woman in our town

No they won’t, @Soontobe60 - did you mean to write that?

The judgement clarifies who and what a woman is, and the EA states that women can have single-sex spaces where reasonable, and toilets is a perfect example.

Your friend Jenny doesn’t exist as no one is cis and no one is assigned female at birth.

Presumably, they wouldn't be using the female toilet; they would be using the male toilet because they all quite obviously pass as male.

However, if they are choosing to use the female toilet, two things are at play:

1. That, as biological women presenting as men they still feel safer using the female-only bathroom - validating the entire reason why women don't want actual men having access to 'women-only' spaces, and, to that end;
2. As a transman doesn't pose the same physical threat to a bio woman that an 'intact' transwoman does, even if someone could 'tell', the transman would unlikely be 'addressed' for this reason. Surely this doesn't really need explaining?

Well my point is the ones in the beige fleece you probably wouldnt know.
Ones dressed like hookers in clown makeup I would say these are not actual trans people, they are tranvestites, its a different thing altogether.

You realise photoshop is easy. It's in person. In motion. It's the gait, the voice, the hips/lack of hips, adams apple, hand/feet size etc etc. The photoshop test is so passe, not even trans activists use it any more.

Um yes, I know! But thanks anyway 😂

I know / have known loads. Both those who identify as a different gender without being on hormones, people on hormones who haven’t had surgery, and two who have had gender reassignment surgery.

Oddly (or not) they are all transwomen. I have never known a transman.

I know two and previously worked with a third. One dresses normally and just wants to get on with her life. The other two seemed to feel that being a woman meant bright pink, flounces, heavy makeup and OTT nails (to a point actually inappropriate for a professional workplace) and were both very activist. I have a lot of empathy today for the first.

many cis women I know

What do you mean by cis woman? Why not just say woman, then literally everyone would know what you're talking about.

Also the optician I saw last time was obviously a man in a dress. He was very aggressive and a bit scary. One of those things that there is just a bad energy and a "roughness" about him rather than him doing something specific. He was quite intimidating and made me feel very uncomfortable but didn't do anything I could complain about iswim.

Obviously a female optician could also have been aggressive and a bit scary but the difference is that I probably wouldn't have felt threatened in the same way as I was with him.

I've changed opticians.

I’m incredibly surprised that your dd at university hasn’t met any trans students, pretty common these days (just watch university challenge!) But seriously, you won’t always know, my dh’s nephew once was his niece and quite frankly I had no idea until I was told!