To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

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Seriously.

The news is full of people worrying about how the SC ruling will affect people who identify as trans.

Where are they? Not in my office (large organisation), my family or social groups. I don't come across any in the village where I live or when I go into town.

DD is at university and doesn't know any trans people.

Surely, I can't be the only one?

Don't be rude now.

I clearly don't understand why such a tiny minority of men should have a huge impact on women's rights.

And why so many journalists/TV presenters are worried about this small number of men instead of being relieved that the SC have cleared something fundamental up.

You can always tell 😂😂😂

This is mostly left wing feminism, so you're ignorant there. And they're not being vilified at all. Feminists and women are being vilified for fighting for our hard won sex-based rights, by femphobes and misogynists.

I’ve known a number of trans people in my life, and all of them were decent, genuine people who just wanted to be accepted and live happy peaceful lives. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, and if you’re someone who does, then you need to take a long hard look at your life.

its the vile perverted men who are using it as an excuse to have the right to wank where they want to who have caused the issues. These aren’t trans people, just in the same way that terrorists will hide behind a guise of religion to cause harm, perverts hide within the trans community so that they can also cause harm. These are the people who need filtering out of society, but unfortunately it won’t ever happen because they’re also the ones who run it.

I know one who works for a supplier to my company. Who just quietly changed name, does not use personal pronouns, and did not complain when someone unaware used the name they had previously been known by.

I actually think this is an interesting question, and one that's relevant in thinking about attitudes to all sorts of minorities - Irish Travellers, Roma, Jews, gay and lesbian people for example.
I would guess that where i live, the numbers of trans women are about the same as the number of guide dog users. So very small, and you might not know one personally. And when you DO know someone personally, you usually think differently. The more we interact with people, rather than exclude them, the more inclusive we will be and the more cohesive as a society.

And there she goes again

I have known quite a few.
One transwoman was a very close friend for years but we lost touch.
I know two TW who are in a relationship with each other.
One TM who is in his 60's and has "lived as a man" for most of their adult life.
There are two other TW who live locally.
There is a 50 something man who dresses like a cheerleader and can regularly be seen with his ring light making videos for SM where he claims to be a TW.
There are 4 other men locally who crossdress to varying degrees but I have never spoken to them so I don't know how they identify. They present as anything from an 80's caricature of a "working girl" to unkempt, paunchy, middle aged man with chipped nail polish and a cheap handbag.

The transman is ambiguously enough to pass but none of the tranwomen pass.

I live in a town of less than ten thousand people, 'cheerleader man' raises an eyebrow and people talk about him because of his exhibitionism but otherwise no one cares.

They have had a ridiculously disproportionate effect. It’s a men’s rights movement, with trans women forcing their way into women’s spaces, jobs, roles.

Without even really trying I can think of at least 3 people I know or know of who have transitioned. On top of that, I can think of 2 others who work in establishments I attend who I would make an assumption that they have transitioned (where it seems clear, but I’d never be so rude to ask them).

If I thought a bit longer I could definitely think of more people.

But you don’t actually care how many there are, you’re just bothered because you want to be bothered.

edit as I forgot to mention that I live in what is one of the least diverse parts of the country. Not a big town or city. Amazingly, people exist everywhere OP.

There's one at school (f to m) but I don't know her, just see her.

I don't know any though. My circle is very terfy

This!

i cant believe school now have to consider private rooms on their school trips due to this!
under 18s!

I work with two trans women, both lovely.

I have also known a few friends of my kids who’ve been “temporary trans” 😭 One day they’ve come round and DC have asked me to call them X not Y and use different pronouns (although their appearance hasn’t changed at all). Then a year passes and they’re back to being Y and using the pronouns associated with their actual sex. Thank goodness for sensible parents who didn’t overreact.

And when you DO know someone personally, you usually think differently. The more we interact with people, rather than exclude them, the more inclusive we will be and the more cohesive as a society.

I know so, so many men. Family, friends, colleagues, kid’s teachers, the friendly security guard at Tesco, the shifty neighbour I avoid. We all muddle through in a happy, cohesive society - but equally I also do keep my guard up around strange men more so than women for my own safety. Nobody considers that odd - in fact they find that reasonable because statistically I’m much more likely to be harmed by a man than a woman and with a history of rape it makes me a little more wary.

I can equally muddle through life with trans people in the same way I can with men (and I do - the friendly people, the people I’m wary off, the people I just nod to in the street). But TW are still men and I’d be mad to suddenly think a self-identity makes them less of a threat than other men. That’s it in a nutshell. It doesn’t mean that we’re all evil women going out of our way to treat trans people as something other but it’s just recognising that TW are still male and behaving according to that.

Truth is transwomen are not women. Slogan politics hasn’t helped this cause and it’s made it hard for liberal women to speak about the safety issues that have arisen from allowing males into female only spaces like women’s prisons, sport, changing rooms and toilets, rape crisis centres etc.
I really welcome to Supreme Court ruling for clarity - and I haven’t seen any dialogue that seeks to erase trans people or make them less safe. I’ve seen plenty of silly token statements from the liberal left showing off about how much they support trans people which I think is irritating as it implies they have somehow been attacked - but also heartwarming. How great it would be to find a way that expresses how much society values women and girls AND protects and supports trans lives.

I could have anticipated entirely the transphobic trope responses my comment would have got. And you didn’t disappoint.

What even is trans though? Is it the middle aged AGP with stubble and and wig that you always used to see once a year or so wandering around a large city? Or the dozens of blue haired Gen Z who all say they’re trans but are clearly just caught up in the social contagion who might have been goths instead in the 90s? Or the minute, invisible number of people with genuine gender dysphoria such as Caroline Cossie or Buck Angel?

I have never met a Caroline or Buck, someone who passes who goes about their business, maybe because they pass and go about their business? I still only see an AGP in public once a year or so, but the blue haired social contagion group are everywhere in our universities and streets and bloody Starbucks. Once the novelty of being “trans” falls out of fashion and these Gen Z grow up I’m hopeful they will disappear in the large numbers with which they suddenly appeared.

Sadly, they will leave behind all the screwed up and mutilated individuals who won’t have the feeling of belonging they think they have now.

But they’re not ‘other women’, they’re men. Also, you might be ok with some man with a fetish using female toilets, but strangely enough many of us aren’t.

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Yes!

With regards to the biological women of which you speak, it's the whole be kind thing coupled with the fact that women are often raised/socialised to appease men (usually because it's far easier to do so).

Be kind and no debate. Definitely two of the key things behind this mess in the first place.

Genuine question, for those pleased about the ruling and feel it should be enforced, how would you go about addressing if you walked into a designated female toilet and any of these people were using the facilities.

Look up APG

I know several trans women and I think this ruling is awful.
Yes, there may be some who abuse the system but far, far less than the men who walk the streets every day, less than the teachers who are in the profession for their wrong reasons, less than the corrupt police officers harming women.
Trans women are far from my biggest fear!

I'm not sure what point you're making here.

Do you accept that someone who identifies as a trans woman did actually assault a female child in a women's toilet? Meaning that this is not, in fact, something that never happens?