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Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

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cassandre · 17/04/2025 20:58

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

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JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:22

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:21

If we can objectively identify a 'trans brain', why are we not using this criteria as part of GRC criteria?

And why wasn’t it considered at the hearing this week? Why didn’t the Scottish Minsters put it forward as evidence?

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:23

MeinKraft · 18/04/2025 14:13

Why do trans people have to make this all about them? It’s not about trans people, it’s about women and women’s rights. It doesn’t matter if you’re a man, or a TIM, or an alien from Mars - we will fight to retain sex based rights to allow us to have spaces without you there.

Most men happily accept and encourage this, but trans identifying males seem to openly despise women. Which is very weird and I really think trans groups should be campaigning for lots and lots of funding for mental health support for the people they support. I don’t think many people would argue that it isn’t needed.

Except it's literally about the trans community

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:24

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:22

And why wasn’t it considered at the hearing this week? Why didn’t the Scottish Minsters put it forward as evidence?

Edited

Excellent point

MeinKraft · 18/04/2025 14:24

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:16

The people I spoke of above (who have physically changed) adore women and cherish being included in our community.

I would never generalise but there is no reason for anyone else to, either

They should really consider speaking up then against the many MANY violent and aggressive people threatening women over campaigning for our rights.

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:25

Always worth sharing this

terfisaslur.com

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:25

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:20

An academic scientist who doesn’t know how to copy and paste a URL. Sure

Hashhash little one. I would step away from this argument you are losing !

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:26

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:23

Except it's literally about the trans community

No it’s about women

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:27

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:25

Hashhash little one. I would step away from this argument you are losing !

Deluded birds of a feather really do flock together.

Go on then: what’s a woman? Do tell us

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:28

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:25

Hashhash little one. I would step away from this argument you are losing !

There IS no argument. Zero evidence has been presented.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:29

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:27

Deluded birds of a feather really do flock together.

Go on then: what’s a woman? Do tell us

You haven't really countered any of the comments by the academic scientist which I'm waiting for ...

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:30

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:28

There IS no argument. Zero evidence has been presented.

Isn’t it interesting how TRAs just spout variations of “STFU”, again and again.

Isnt it also interesting how none of the TRAs putting rainbow emojis and squawking about the poor menz aren’t actually engaging in discussion. Just throwing out weak insults and accusations. I mean WHY can’t just one person tell me what a woman is?!

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:31

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:30

Isn’t it interesting how TRAs just spout variations of “STFU”, again and again.

Isnt it also interesting how none of the TRAs putting rainbow emojis and squawking about the poor menz aren’t actually engaging in discussion. Just throwing out weak insults and accusations. I mean WHY can’t just one person tell me what a woman is?!

You don't know what a woman is ?

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:31

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:29

You haven't really countered any of the comments by the academic scientist which I'm waiting for ...

Academic scientist my arse 🤣🤣🤣 you are gullible.
This so-called academic hasn’t presented me with any sources yet to their bogus claims. Can you?

Why is it so hard to answer what a woman is? Do you not know?

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:32

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:31

You don't know what a woman is ?

Oh I do. It’s an adult human female. Duh. Even if that female has a beard, wears clothes from the men’s section, calls herself Bob, likes race cars, and wears baggy t-shirts. Shes a woman based on her biology.

Do you wanna counter this?

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:36

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:22

So where's the link?

I cannot link on my phone. I presume you can search for one or both of the following. There are several other examples

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age,
European Congress of Endocrinology, 19 May 2018

Biological sex classification with structural MRI data shows increased misclassification in transgender women, Neuropsychopharmacology 45 1758-1765 (2020)

Both excellent journals

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:37

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:31

Academic scientist my arse 🤣🤣🤣 you are gullible.
This so-called academic hasn’t presented me with any sources yet to their bogus claims. Can you?

Why is it so hard to answer what a woman is? Do you not know?

Sources above

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:38

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:28

There IS no argument. Zero evidence has been presented.

See references above

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:38

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:32

Oh I do. It’s an adult human female. Duh. Even if that female has a beard, wears clothes from the men’s section, calls herself Bob, likes race cars, and wears baggy t-shirts. Shes a woman based on her biology.

Do you wanna counter this?

It's hard to counter the hate you display because whatever is said you will not really listen to. Everyone has the right to their views, including, I assume a cis woman like you. All you've said so far is a woman is an adult human female which is like saying the same thing twice.

Willyoujustbequiet · 18/04/2025 14:40

Fimofriend · 17/04/2025 22:21

Sending love to Sandie because she got punished for not wanting to be naked in front of a male coworker.
Sending love to Maya who got fired for stating the obvious. Love to all women who experienced the same.
Sending love to J.K. who got slandered and recieved death threats for not agreeing to lie about biological facts and for pointing out the dehumanizing way some people had started talking about women.
Love to the inmates who got an extra punishment in form of rape when a transgender rapist got transferred to their prison.
Love to all the female inmates, female patients, and female employees who feared for their safety because they were forced to share their private spaces with transwomen who clearly used them as props in their immersive sexualized roleplay.
Love to all the lesbians who lost their clubs, dating apps, and bars because they got invaded by transwomen bleating about their girl dicks and how they are oh so much more feminine than actual women, and who aggressively demanded to be desired by the lesbians.
Love to the female survivors of sexual abuse who had to stop group therapy because the therapy groups got invaded by men in dresses who clearly got off on hearing about the abuse.
Love to the women with endometrioses who had to stop group therapy because the therapy group got invaded by transwomen who clearly got off on being in the group.
Love to the women who couldn't get support with their breastfeeding because the breastfeeding groups got invaded by transwomen who clearly got off on participating in the group.
Love to the girl guides and members of the WI who had to stop participating because transgirls or transwomen made them uncomfortable.
Love to all the transwidows who got gaslighted and abused by their former spouses who drained their mutual bank accounts to buy sparkly garments while their families went without.
Love to all the female athletes who lost trophies to cheaters.
Love to all the women who got threatened, slandered, and/or beaten for wanting to talk about the safekeeping of women and girls.
Love to all the women and girls who tried to fight back and defend the rights of women and girls.

This 💯

I'm not inclusive on this issue. Happy to be a Terf in fact and over the moon women now have more protection.

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:41

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:36

I cannot link on my phone. I presume you can search for one or both of the following. There are several other examples

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age,
European Congress of Endocrinology, 19 May 2018

Biological sex classification with structural MRI data shows increased misclassification in transgender women, Neuropsychopharmacology 45 1758-1765 (2020)

Both excellent journals

Why do you think the Scottish Ministers didn’t include this in their evidence of its so compelling?

Again very surprised an academic can’t link to research on their phone. Most unusual

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:42

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:36

I cannot link on my phone. I presume you can search for one or both of the following. There are several other examples

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age,
European Congress of Endocrinology, 19 May 2018

Biological sex classification with structural MRI data shows increased misclassification in transgender women, Neuropsychopharmacology 45 1758-1765 (2020)

Both excellent journals

The study that purports to have identified 'trans brains' was deeply flawed (in that it didnt even control for things like sexuality or hormone usage).

It also didn't even conclude what it was widely reported to 'prove'. Trans identifying males brains did not particularly overlap with female.

I mean, the proof is in the pudding. If objective criteria existed, why is t it being used as part of a GRC process? Why wasn't it considered in this judgement?

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:43

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:38

It's hard to counter the hate you display because whatever is said you will not really listen to. Everyone has the right to their views, including, I assume a cis woman like you. All you've said so far is a woman is an adult human female which is like saying the same thing twice.

No I’m not a cis woman. Im a woman

If hate is “Not centring the feelings of men to my own detriment” then call me a hater all you like.

What a shame you won’t tell me your definition of a woman. I’ve been asking TRAs for years and never had an answer

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:43

JandamiHash · 18/04/2025 14:41

Why do you think the Scottish Ministers didn’t include this in their evidence of its so compelling?

Again very surprised an academic can’t link to research on their phone. Most unusual

You haven’t seen my phone

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:43

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 14:38

It's hard to counter the hate you display because whatever is said you will not really listen to. Everyone has the right to their views, including, I assume a cis woman like you. All you've said so far is a woman is an adult human female which is like saying the same thing twice.

You seem to confuse acknowledgent of biological reality with 'hate'. How odd.

poetryandwine · 18/04/2025 14:44

TheKeatingFive · 18/04/2025 14:42

The study that purports to have identified 'trans brains' was deeply flawed (in that it didnt even control for things like sexuality or hormone usage).

It also didn't even conclude what it was widely reported to 'prove'. Trans identifying males brains did not particularly overlap with female.

I mean, the proof is in the pudding. If objective criteria existed, why is t it being used as part of a GRC process? Why wasn't it considered in this judgement?

You are looking for something black and white. Science is shades of grey

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