Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

Then that’s a problem for men to solve, not for women to solve for them.

No it hasn’t. Because everyone has a sex, so they have a place.

Nature didn’t play a cruel trick on any able bodied people. Society just reinforces stereotypes to tell people if they don’t subscribe to X Y Z they don’t fit in. Nothing to do with nature.

Trans people aren’t excluded from anywhere

They're not being excluded from anything. They have their sex specific spaces like everybody else.

Ditto this but I cannot imagine there are trans people who would be comfortable here.

Why do trans people have to make this all about them? It’s not about trans people, it’s about women and women’s rights. It doesn’t matter if you’re a man, or a TIM, or an alien from Mars - we will fight to retain sex based rights to allow us to have spaces without you there.

Most men happily accept and encourage this, but trans identifying males seem to openly despise women. Which is very weird and I really think trans groups should be campaigning for lots and lots of funding for mental health support for the people they support. I don’t think many people would argue that it isn’t needed.

@TheKeatingFive They definitely are excluded. They are as vulnerable on a men’s hospital ward as I would be.

They have lost their testosterone and muscle strength. They have the physical strength of women.

Our brains are our most important organs. Many studies show that when people are transgender from a very young age their brains are closer to the brains of their preferred sex. I can’t link on my phone but a good one appears in the highly respected Journal of the European Endocrinology Society, May 2018.

Being truly transgender is a measurable biological phenomenon

Love, love love to JK Rowling; Sharon Davies, Sex Matters , For Women Scotland and all the others who have fought for the right to say what a biological woman is and the rights and protections that should go with that.

Love love love to all those who stood up and said this.

Disdain, disdain, disdain to: Ocado, the miniature intellect of Owen Jones, the silence of the Keir Starmer, Barclays, Lloyds, women who call themselves allies, and all others who want to say that men can be women.

Men are not women and never ever ever can they be-I don't care if they look like Elizabeth Taylor or a bulldog chewing a wasp. They have a cock-they're a man. They have their cock chopped off-they're still a man. They pumped full of hormones-they're still a man. They wave a piece of paper called a GRC-they're still a man.

The people I spoke of above (who have physically changed) adore women and cherish being included in our community.

I would never generalise but there is no reason for anyone else to, either

No, that is total nonsense. There are no objective measures for 'gendered brains'.

Always hard to find this card pre printed in Clinton's isn't it

So well reasoned

The European Society of Endocrinology begs to differ. I am an academic scientist. My money is with them

Ocado are now saying that that statement was put out by a temporary contractor.

Why would they let a temporary contractor make a statement like that?

Again can you prove TW are just as at risk as women?

You wilfully misunderstand the effects of hormones. It doesn’t eradicate a man’s strength. Bones don’t change. Neither do brains.

But let’s say it did - the definition of a woman is not “weak person”. They’re still men. You can crow about all the stereotypes and appropriations you want, they’re still men, and the law says so too.

Tell me what does a “female brain” look like??

And the evidence for this is where?

Can you tell us your employer so we can avoid you please? You shouldn’t be in your job if that’s true

An academic scientist who doesn’t know how to copy and paste a URL. Sure

If we can objectively identify a 'trans brain', why are we not using this criteria as part of GRC criteria?

Well you haven’t proven any of your bogus claims. Very unusual for an academic to not offer sources

It is a top rated scientific journal so I dont think you would get very far

I have a lesbian friend who is butch but not massively so, twice she's been asked to leave women's toilets.

So where's the link?