Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

It is not necessary to allow any men (including your friend) into women’s spaces to achieve ‘equality’ for trans people.

Equality means them not being paid less because they are trans or fired because they are trans.

I don’t care if your friend has had his willy chopped off - he is still not a woman. Becoming a woman is not prize for the most suffering from a man - it is something only a girl can do by becoming an adult.

Whilst I think the ruling in the week gave good clarification on sex and there are obviously huge complex areas that I have no solution too.
It reminded me that my dissertation tutor was trans, I never felt threatened by her/him at, I really rated her/him field so chose for that reason.
I felt 100% in a worse situation with my straight ex, whom still makes me shudder coming in to a room and I would rather have my dissertation tutor in my house than have him even on my drive. .

By all means study children before puberty, though I'm not sure what medical treatment it would be unethical to deny you are referring to here But don't refer to children as trans, because that is imposing inappropriate adult values onto developing children. Children are not trans, any more than they are right wing, or any other adult concepts which are not applicable to children.

Confused, unwell, ND and abused children were all overrepresented amongst the patients at the Tavistock, and their being adultified is part of how they were failed by those services.

And your tutor and your ex are each one person, they're not representatives. This is not about maligning individuals, this is about women as a sex class having spaces and services free of men as a sex class. And the sex class of men includes straight men, gay men, transwomen, men who identify as animals, men who like cooking, men who drive boats, men who watch Strictly, men who hate strictly. They're all men.

Was your professor male or female?

I’m glad you didn’t feel threatened by your professor - no student should feel threatened by their professor.

Sadly, the female students of another male (female identifying) professor would rightly feel threatened by his words - in a radio interview he confirmed he would have no issue if there was a spike in murders of women if self id laws went through. I’d say that’s a pretty horrific attitude for a professor.

I desperately hope that you are not trying to make the point that because some men like your ex without a ‘gender identity’ are violent that we should ignore the risks posed by men WITH a ‘gender identity’? Because that’s a bit how it’s coming across…

Totally disagree - trans women are absolutely not in any way the enemies of womankind.

But there is no suggestion that there is a female/trans brain that both men and women have.

Infiltrating women's spaces and services without their consent is a shitty thing to do.

Surely you know that whatever ‘side’ you perceive people to be on, different people have different views?

Yes it’s strange how a phenomenon is so very unproven, almost like it’s made up

You think this is just about toilets?
Have you even bothered to read the thread?

Male transitioning in go female.
And I did say that the I don’t have all the answers to the current situation as it’s really complex.
And no I’m not at all trying to say all trans people are nice people or that we just give them a free ticket for being trans.

Oh wow that’s what you took from that. Keep fighting you’re amazing 💪

You may have not been threatened by your tutor but how would you feel about Karen White in your cell? Because that’s the reality of not using women in biological terms

What if your ex decided he was woman and came into a changing room you were in?

They’re not women either.

Though I don’t agree with you. Colonisers are usually one’s enemy.

So do you want to have a think about the issues with men demanding access to women's sports, rape counselling, domestic violence shelters, hospital wards, prisons, lesbian dating events, changing rooms, board positions - I could go on.

Yes that exactly what I took from that. You asked why no one was concentrating on raped women. Which leads me to believe you mustn’t have read the thread properly.

Did I not say I thought it was complex?
And also, I spent 4yrs volunteering for domestic violence services. That’s as well as my full time job plus being part of the Covid-19 goverment response to domestic violence. What have you done?

That comment wasn’t in response to you?

The Low Countries have been largely following the Dutch protocol and administering puberty blockers. Having taken that position it would be unethical to withhold treatment. So providing a control group is not practical.

No research is perfect. This research is good according to experts. Your point doesn’t detract from that

@TheKeatingFive sorry I don’t get your point?

I am beginning to understand now just how society got into the mess we find ourselves with such low standards of expectation of academia and those who publish in it.

Transwomen are men. And men, as a sex class, are a danger to women. Why do you think we even have single sex spaces?

I’m saying we should be focussing on getting women their rights around the world (in some places, even to be able to go out alone or have an education or not be mutilated) before thinking about getting women’s rights for men. What is it you have an issue with?