Sending love to trans people on MN and beyond

[cassandre]

This isn't an AIBU. I just wanted to send love to trans people, in the UK especially, and to other members of the LGBTQIA+ community.

This hasn't been the easiest week for trans people, but there are a lot of us out there who accept you for who you are. We have your backs and we believe that eventually, tolerance and compassion will win.💖💖💖

Love from a longtime MNer and trans-inclusive feminist.

No, being transgender doesn't show in a brain scanning. That is fake science.

’Pretty good’ is not much of an absolute statement.

You were also asking earlier about the (full) papers behind Bakker’s abstract. See my reply to @Helleofabore above

So, now we are talking about the studies you went and found AFTER it was pointed out that you had only read the abstract before posting about the study.

Would you like to answer the direct questions relating to the abstract you told us supported that statement you made?

Were the participants grouped by age or by pubertal developement?
Were the treatments of the participants acknowledged?
How were the mental health comorbidities controlled for?

Isn't it good academic protocol to post links and then some accurate insights about the studies you have posted? Particularly as you state, the conclusions are grey.

Considering the trans population is pretty much 50/50 it's gonna be interesting to see how the anti-trans brigade now react to trans men entering their female only spaces.

I mean how are they going to distinguish between a trans man and a cis man?

I again refer to this statement

"Being truly transgender is a measurable biological phenomenon”

The one you doubled down (and told us you were an academic) on initially until it was pointed out to you that perhaps you only read the abstract of one and the second didn't really show much strength of conclusion that you were attempting to make.

I mean how are they going to distinguish between a trans man and a cis man?
Very easily. One lot is female and the other is male. You really seem to think that females without breasts, or short hair, or a pcos moustache, or wearing jeans and a tee, or even with muscles, equals a male 🙄

Please stop using female transgender people to intimidate female people who need single sex spaces. It really isn't the gotcha you seem to think it is.

I have met a fair few trans men, and it was perfectly obvious that they weren’t men.

I don’t know how anyone can subscribe to the notion of gender trumping sex and that sex based isn’t ’a thing’ and in the same breath admit that FGM is sex based violence

I think that some posters have shown a pattern of inconsistency, don't you?

I’ll gladly welcome trans men into my space because they’re women.

When people talk about out men accessing women’s bathrooms, we aren’t talking about men who present as men and call themselves men. Only time I’ve ever seen a man who calls himself a man in a women’s bathroom came in purely by accident. The men we refer to, who barge their way in, are transwomen who don’t pass. That’s who we’re worried about.

Let's normalize being kind and compassionate while holding our self respect.

This has been disproven.

Journal references please

Who are you aiming that at?

The men who trampled over women's legal rights? Or the women who are alternatively relieved and angry about having to fight to regain clarity over our stolen rights?

#bekind can get in the bin tbh

Really? See, I know a couple trans men who, unless you knew them, you would not know weren't cis men.

Like I say, it's gonna be interesting when they decide to prive a point and enter female only spaces.

Why have we not seen transmen demanding to be placed in male prisons? Why does the prison service absolutely refuse to countenance such a move, even though noone has actually asked for it? I assure you it's not because the service is transphobic (there is actually a special trans unit which took space away from the womens estate ), its because of male violence. No matter how burly and bearded a transman might be, she would be sussed out in hours by other prisoners, and the consequences would be unlikely to be pleasant. Transmen aren't stupid, they know this, that's why they're not clamouring to be placed in the male estate.

Also, a huge majority of women prisoners have been victims of male violence. Prison is a safe place for many of these women simply because there are no men. Obviously there are male officers, but not many.

Happy to share my female spaces with them, as they’re female.

Quite honestly, who the fuck really cares? Your whole tone is threatening but there are A LOT of very angry women and girls, but none will be bothered about a TM entering female spaces. It's where they should have been going from the very beginning.

A quick look at Google Scholar shows dozens of research articles published recently showing the differences between male and female brains, mostly using MRI and fMRI.

So I await your sources

Why though? Male rapists and abuser have shown they have no regard for women's only spaces. The idea that defining woman only spaces as for biological women is pointless. Now all any male abuser needs to do to when they walk into a female only space is claim they're a cis woman.

The issue has never, ever been trans people, it's always been men. But hate has always clouded that.

This isn't really the best place to virtue signal, not a lot of transpeople on a website for mothers.

No one asked for this information earlier, and no one since has shown herself to be a discussant in good faith. Read for yourself and we can chat

The issue has never, ever been trans people, it's always been men.

You need to look up the amount of TW rapists we have in the UK. It will blow your mind. Then look up the ratio of TW versus males in prisons who are there for sexually motivated crimes.

TW and men are the same sex class with the same tendencies towards violence.

Well, we all have a mixture of some "masculine" and some "feminine" traits. it's always been that case. Up until recently those who didn't fit a gender binary just got on with it. They didn't throw a hissy fit over not being able to access a woman's rape crisis centre or hospital ward or DV refuge. To be fair I think most TW are decent people who just are happy to crack on with things. There is a small minority of TRA who have loud voices and a lot of influence. The trans people I know just get on with life.

What stops these TRA s from campaigning for their own spaces ? I bet if someone famous and influential like Eddie Izzard did that he would receive a lot of support.

In the words of the good book " Ye have not, because ye ask not." Maybe actually do something about your perceived lack of rights. The UK is an extremely tolerant country regarding LGBT these days and none of you TRAs are exactly shrinking violet when it comes to gatecrashing womens spaces or dressing up in drag and reading books to kids about gender issues.