Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

...spaces for biological women.

Oh god. This is why I don’t watch news shows anymore. I just read the Sky News apps.

Finally.

I'm just a little concerned that this has been very much a unilateral argument and conclusion. I wish someone would mention transmen. Oops, I just did.

Female people who have transgender identities have always been included in female sexed based provisions though.

She feels, in her words, that once society makes judgements like this, it’ll be the gay community that is targeted next.

why does she feel that? What is the connection between the L and the T?
For the record: if anyone comes for gay rights (or any human rights) i will be at the protests, i will be lobbying my MP etc etc. As we did before.

But i want some insight into this thinking, if your GF wouldn't mind letting us know? I simply don't see the connection between "no, men aren't women, never were and never will be" and, say, nullifying gay marriage.

This judgement is great for transmen. It confirms that they are entitled to maternity and pregnancy legal protections which was in doubt if they were considered legally male re the Equality Act

Does she consume a lot of American content on the issue?

While i am baffled (and angered, tbh) by a transman with a GRC who gets pregnant - I am glad that they will receive the protections they are entitled to.

Trans men without GRC are covered by the legislation anyway, and always were. And that is what this ruling today confirmed. TBH if it is a win for women, it is particularly a win for trans men.

I'm sorry she feels that way. I am a biological realist, but thoroughly support lesbians. Ironically the misogynistic homophobia of the cotton ceiling was one of the things that firmed up my opinions, along with the transing of gay children.

I think it's almost the opposite to your partner's fears. I think the lowering support for LGBTQ taken as a whole is directly because of the unreasonable trans lobbying. No one wants to think of children being given puberty blockers or male rapists in women's prisons.

This is so powerfully said, and absolutely nails it, thank you @MissScarletInTheBallroom

Crazy isn't it, that this needs to be ruled on. How stupid society has become.

This is so important. Thank you 😊

To be fair there was recent incident in the US where a woman was in the male spa area with a male friend and males customers objected to her being there to staff. So she and her male friend made a (usual bully style) video of the staff member trying to explain why staff ask her to move her female body to the female side

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5292291-imperial-spa-san-francisco-usa-incident-with-a-transman

They never can, if there’s no immediate capitulation it’s straight in with the insults.

Perfectly put 👏

Such a relief for all.
i am women, hear me roar

BIG compo payouts I hope!!

Absolutely this.

Jo Swinson on Newsnight was such a shill then. Take the toxicity out of the debate. Who brought it, Jo? She clearly wants women to roll over.

Isn't it homophobia for a heterosexual man who identifies as a woman being able to say he's a lesbian, though? Doesn't she think that lesbians should have the right to single sex spaces?

The ruling actually helps protect gay and bi people. As the law was previously being interpreted, it was not possible to exclude men with a GRC from lesbian groups, for example. This will now allow same-sex attracted people the freedom to self-associate. As a bi woman, I am very grateful this has now been clarified.