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Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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everythingthelighttouches · 16/04/2025 10:10

Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'
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JustAnotherManicMomday · 16/04/2025 21:54

Finally common sense, hopefully this will mean in sports you will have to be biologically the gender you compete as stopping the clear advantage some athletes have and hopefully this will mean we can have some facilities that are solely based on biological gender like toilets etc to make woman feel safe. The reality is most trans people are fine but there are some predators out there that would use it as a claim to be where they know they should not be.

IslandsAround · 16/04/2025 21:54

AngeDough · 16/04/2025 21:36

For goodness sake. Live and let live.

Yes that’s what women want. Except for men wanting witnesses to their performance as transwomen we wouldn’t have seen ordinary folks going about their day to day lives getting pushed to the supreme court.

I may identify as a Mongolian, or an 8 year old, or as a furred animal, or as a ghost etc. thats ok. What I can’t do is be a 80 year old woman identifying herself as a nursery aged child trying to attend nursery school because I want to live & let live while also putting my own fictions first. Because the law affords citizens protections and rights under the law. It’s not elderly phobic to protect children’s spaces etc etc etc:

It’s not transrace phobic to say a white person can’t identify as black. It’s a fact.

Women aren’t transphobic. They stating facts such as transwomen aren’t women and the law supports that.

nomas · 16/04/2025 21:57

AngeDough · 16/04/2025 21:43

maybe better to say get a life.

Wow, you couldn’t even maintain the façade for a bit.

TheKeatingFive · 16/04/2025 21:58

I think @AngeDough might genuinely be 12. It's half term after all.

Helleofabore · 16/04/2025 22:00

@fourbedwinner

If you are genuinely interested in reading, can I suggest that you read the following books:

Trans by Helen Joyce
Material Girls by Kathleen Stock
Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shier

I also recommend the following video content:

Adult Human Female documentary (that had to be cancelled from screening mulitple times due to mostly intimidating male people with transgender identities blocking entry for women to watch the screening)

Behind the Looking Glass - a documentary with the real life voices of women who have been greatly harmed by their husbands who declared they were women.

If you want to see the evidence that no male person who has been through puberty loses their pubertal physical advantage, here is a thread with all the evidence that I have been able to pull together. Genuinely, no male person is a woman. And when women need single sex spaces, it is also because female people have greater likelihood of fighting off and escaping a female attacker, but when you consider that even a weak man has more strength than 90+% of all female people, the understanding should be falling into place.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5142027-save-female-sports-evidence-thread?page=1

Yes, there is great harm to female people by treating any male as if they were female when they are male. Calling an individual male person a 'woman' has already been shown to cause collective harm to female people as well as individual harm.

The inclusion of one male person in a space, a sport, a job role specifying a female person, etc, causes harm typically to many more than one female person.

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Wheresthebeach · 16/04/2025 22:01

Very relieved but horrified that we have to have these discussions. It’s bonkers

Panterusblackish · 16/04/2025 22:01

About time too.

The fact this has ever ended up in court is utterly absurd.

Fucking mental that it ever got this far. It just goes to show the depth of misogyny that women's identities were ever in question.

It's also one of the Democratic party's major failings if they'd managed to grasp the nettle of gender ideology and re-establish logic and science, they may have garnered more votes.

DrPrunesqualer · 16/04/2025 22:04

@fourbedwinner ( and tbh I not sure why I’m bothering as these comments seem like one huge wind up, but I’ll bother just this once…what the hell 🥱)

Why do you need to ask yourself the question of what a women is.
Everyones already told you
Im sure you were taught basic biology in school !

it really really is not that complex.
Try Googling it ….

Its biology.
It’s XX. ……. With or without a skirt or makeup.

Unsureabouteverything · 16/04/2025 22:07

ballettap · 16/04/2025 21:50

I had no idea that was the definition! WTF!

Yes, all the main online English dictionaries I've checked have something similar. Madness.

Interestingly, I've checked other languages like German, French and a bunch of other European languages and even though these countries also have self-id and trans lobbyists, the definition of woman is simply adult human female.

BundleBoogie · 16/04/2025 22:08

ballettap · 16/04/2025 21:50

I had no idea that was the definition! WTF!

You would not believe how deep
the capture goes. Layers and layers that will take years to unpick but at least we are now allowed to speak the truth and name the problem(s).

The trans activists were thorough, I’ll give them that. I’m sad for the millions of children that have been either harmed or put at risk of harm across the world.

DrPrunesqualer · 16/04/2025 22:09

Unsureabouteverything · 16/04/2025 22:07

Yes, all the main online English dictionaries I've checked have something similar. Madness.

Interestingly, I've checked other languages like German, French and a bunch of other European languages and even though these countries also have self-id and trans lobbyists, the definition of woman is simply adult human female.

Well they’ll have to change that pronto.

I can feel an email coming on.😁

murasaki · 16/04/2025 22:10

It's a good thing that this has been top of all the news bulletins today. Those whose been living under a rock, either from choice, or in blithe ignorance, can now see what the issues have been and why this is such an important clarification of an already existing position.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/04/2025 22:10

I genuinely hope that, much in the same way I've been known to say, "Can you believe that five years ago we locked down inside our own homes?" in 20 years time I'll be able to say, "Remember when we were all forced to pretend that men can become women? That was absolutely mental, huh!"

Fluffypussycat · 16/04/2025 22:13

A woman is a woman, really? You don’t say! 🤣🤣

Brefugee · 16/04/2025 22:13

the problem i am seeing is that it is being largely touted as a blow to trans people.

Some of my (very woke) friends on fb are whining on about it and it's getting boring now.

The fact is that trans people have all the human rights this evening that they had this morning. Women now know that we are women, and that a piece of paper or declaration will not mean that a man is a woman for legal purposes. That fact gives stability, and (if applied consistently and properly from now on) means that EVERYONE knows where we stand.

Trans people have the protections they need - one thing that is consistently overlooked is pregnant trans men (yeah, i can't even think about that right now) will have all the maternity protections they need. That is a massive step forwards for them.

nocoolnamesleft · 16/04/2025 22:16

Brefugee · 16/04/2025 22:13

the problem i am seeing is that it is being largely touted as a blow to trans people.

Some of my (very woke) friends on fb are whining on about it and it's getting boring now.

The fact is that trans people have all the human rights this evening that they had this morning. Women now know that we are women, and that a piece of paper or declaration will not mean that a man is a woman for legal purposes. That fact gives stability, and (if applied consistently and properly from now on) means that EVERYONE knows where we stand.

Trans people have the protections they need - one thing that is consistently overlooked is pregnant trans men (yeah, i can't even think about that right now) will have all the maternity protections they need. That is a massive step forwards for them.

Yeah, I too have woke friends whinging on facebook. I'm still wary of posting openly on facebook because I work for the NHS. And how depressing is that.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 16/04/2025 22:21

fourbedwinner · 16/04/2025 21:17

Because the doing so is excluding transwomen and I don't agree with that. I don't think one persons rights should supersede that of another. And I don't believe including transwomen in safe spaces puts biological women at risk. Where is the evidence for this? Or maybe we don't need evidence, how someone feels is enough... as long as that isn't applied to a biological male feeling they are a woman??

Edited

Nice try.

Waitwhat23 · 16/04/2025 22:22

BundleBoogie · 16/04/2025 22:08

You would not believe how deep
the capture goes. Layers and layers that will take years to unpick but at least we are now allowed to speak the truth and name the problem(s).

The trans activists were thorough, I’ll give them that. I’m sad for the millions of children that have been either harmed or put at risk of harm across the world.

It's been (deliberately) insidious -

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists

A great deal of the transgender debate is unexplained. One of the most mystifying aspects is the speed and success of a small number of small organisations in achieving major influence over public bodies, politicians and officials. How has a certain id...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

EasterParadeHats · 16/04/2025 22:22

@BundleBoogie I agree and how many people will actually understand the logistics, perceptions and reality of what's happened.

Do the people who run small women refuge understand that men can't work there etc

mateysmum · 16/04/2025 22:22

I have just had to switch off ITV News at Ten and leave the room before I threw something at the TV. All the crap about how this is all terribly terribly complicated and where are all the poor delicate trans women going to feel safe now, the poor little flowers. Those nasty women with their sex based rights. Cue much wailing and renting of garments. The implicit suggestion being that as it's all so difficult it isn't yet resolved what with all those hurty feels.

murasaki · 16/04/2025 22:23

I'm waiting to see what News night has to say before I retire to bed with a grin at what has been a good day.

nocoolnamesleft · 16/04/2025 22:24

mateysmum · 16/04/2025 22:22

I have just had to switch off ITV News at Ten and leave the room before I threw something at the TV. All the crap about how this is all terribly terribly complicated and where are all the poor delicate trans women going to feel safe now, the poor little flowers. Those nasty women with their sex based rights. Cue much wailing and renting of garments. The implicit suggestion being that as it's all so difficult it isn't yet resolved what with all those hurty feels.

The BBC News at Ten included a photo of Isla Bryson in the infamous pink leggings, so I think the department must include at least one of the Terven. Which is great.

OldCottageGreenhouse · 16/04/2025 22:28

@DoddlesMcDoddleI’m not sure “Up the women” is the most appropriate term! 😛 Agree with the sentiment though!

OKYay · 16/04/2025 22:30

Let's hope that this puts an end to all of the crap that the NHS was coming out with...
'Chest feeding' instead of 'breast feeding'
'Person with womb' instead of woman etc

I empathise with those people who genuinely feel like they were born in the wrong body and fully want to commit to transitioning. I don't believe that these are the people that most in society has an issue with. It's the arseholes who are claiming they're trans for ulterior motives designed to intimidate women. The problem is, how can we identify those individuals without putting women at risk?

OKYay · 16/04/2025 22:32

And that is why we must protect female only spa especially for biological women!

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