Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Why can't adult female humans have a word for themselves?

Why are we not allowed to have a word for adult female human, a category of people which actually, objectively exists, but forced to have a word for, "most adult female humans except the ones who believe they identify as trans men or non binary, plus some adult male humans who believe they identify as women"?

Because the doing so is excluding transwomen and I don't agree with that. I don't think one persons rights should supersede that of another. And I don't believe including transwomen in safe spaces puts biological women at risk. Where is the evidence for this? Or maybe we don't need evidence, how someone feels is enough... as long as that isn't applied to a biological male feeling they are a woman??

have a good evening.

Does this mean misgendering can no longer be considered a crime? Because calling a trans woman a man is referring to their biological sex?

Might free up some police resources if so!

Thankfully feelings have just been shown to be a very poor substitute for law.

Why do you think female people not being allowed to have their own single sex spaces or even a word for themselves is progress?

Have you just recently arrived at this debate? Genuine question.

It was never progress to try and twist the language to make "women" a mixed sex group. It's been very harmful.

Woman can't have a unique word to describe themselves because men would feel left out

What would the benefit be of having such a word?

Allowing men to self ID as women is quite literally giving them rights which supersede the rights of actual women.

Now show us the posts that fit with this.

Aah, it's a 'it'll never happen' one.

Cool, cool. Bit retro though.

Because it's three words instead of one. Because "woman" was our word and it's been stolen. Because transpeople are now also stealing "female". Because they are even stealing "biological woman" (even if they are doctors and should know better, yes Dr U I'm talking about you). Because with every word or phrase they colonise they want the next one as well, till we are left with no way of describing women in a way that does not include men.

Unfortunately this won't have an impact on NCHI or Hate Crime in Scotland, which have no criteria or definition. They are based entirely wholly and purely on the perception of the person reporting.

Aren't you embarrassed?

I would be if I'd declared there were transphobic posts, and then was completely unable to point to a single one in over 700. I mean, if it was me I'd feel like I was showing myself up to be quite thick, imagine being unable to back up your own statements with examples.

Of course, its terribly boring and entirely predictable that you wouldn't have a single example. Still, over the many years on MN I've always lived in hope there would be one TRA who could manage it.

What a disappointment.

Woman, the word is WOMAN. Not adult female human. That sounds ludicrous.

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I actually don't think we have progressed at all, at least not regarding women's rights.

I understand that for many people, carefully trying to semantically separate being a woman from being female has been well meant, and an attempt to construct a system that allows every person to have their own individual feelings catered to, it has resulted in the less well meaning silencing women and denying them the rights that they had finally started to win for themselves.

Today's court ruling should never have been necessary. It was only needed because of well-meaning people playing word games in order to support legal fictions, and other people using those legal fictions to try to trample over women's rights.

Women could have rights defined in law.

Transmen can be protected against pregnancy discrimination.

Etc

I think possibly you misunderstood my post.

@DuesToTheDirt Also more frequently now many males who identify as women are also using the term trans female or even claiming to be "biologically female".

Being a woman is very simply an adult human female. No male person can be a woman. They never were, they simply insisted that it was true when it was not.

Now they are also demanding that they be categorised as female too. But they are not. To be female means only that you have a body that is formed around producing large gametes regardless of whether those gametes are produced now, in the past or in the future in that body.

It doesn’t matter at all whether someone ‘feels’ like a woman. Unless they have the body type that is defined as a woman, they ‘feel’ as they conceptualise the term ‘woman’ feels like. Which is based on their application of stereotypes, either what they stereotype a female person ‘feels’ like or they are rejecting what they stereotype a male person ‘feels’ like.

Now we know that you are taking the piss.

Are you for real??

Yes, I'm genuinely trying to educate myself here. My instinct is that today's ruling is deeply disappointing for equality and human rights, but appreciate how strongly others feel and want to better understand my position and if it's even the right one.