Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Yes. Do you have an answer?

This hasn’t been a judgement that is ‘trans phobic’ or used to fuel ‘trans phobia’.

The court has unanimously, clearly and judiciously protected the rights of women. Biological women.

A transwomen isn’t a woman. People aren’t phobic of transwomen, they just want to be safe. They are glad we don’t have to treat men who wish to identify as women from pretending they are biological women.

Saying women are a set of gender stereotypes which men can identify into is the opposite of progress.

No one is excluding 'transwomen' from their own sex spaces.

Why should this one group of men get special rights to women's spaces?

Women's rights are human rights.

Or are those not the kind of human rights you are interested in?

But that isn't remotely relevant to today's judgement?

The supreme court were asked to establish what 'woman' means in terms of law, specifically the Equality Act.

In terms of law and the Equality Act, the judgement says, very clearly, several times, that unless it means 'biological women' only, the law makes no sense and is unworkable. It examines any other definitions and explains why the result would be that no one's rights were properly protected.

That you don't like the feel of this in semantic and sociological terms yourself really isn't relevant, this is about this specific piece of law and women's legal protections.

Ahem.

Have you just landed here, that you're asking for evidence that "including transwomen in safe spaces puts biological women at risk"? (They're not "safe spaces" by the way, they're single-sex spaces - or they were till 5 minutes ago, and hopefully they will be again).

There are just so many examples of transwomen sexual or violent offenders, that you'd know if you were a regular here. Karen White, Katy Dolatowski, Andrew Miller, Isla Bryson, the guy in the Wii spa, the rapist on the women's NHS hospital ward... Would you fancy being in prison with Tiffany Scott or Paris Green? If you don't know who they are look them up.

Besides which, we want privacy and dignity. I'm at no risk from my father-in-law or my brother but I wouldn't undress in front of either of them.

Wonderful news, such a relief.

98% of sexual and violent crimes are committed by men. If you can tell us the difference between trans women (males) who wish us no harm from (males) who do, we’re all ears. It’s not even about crimes, it’s about privacy and dignity away from males. My lovely male partner would never harm anyone, he shouldn’t be among females either should he wake up tomorrow with different gender feels.

Women who have experienced sexual assault, women of religion and people like me who just don’t want to be around males in a female only setting should have that right! The gaslighting ends here.

Do you think that pretending biology progresses and evolves on a 15 year cycle?

We may try to coddle people who are experiencing gender dysphoria - but that’s not an evolution, that’s negating women’s rights.

Males who identify as trans are five times more likely than other males to be imprisoned for sexual offences.

It’s more unsafe for women to have transwomen than other men in our spaces.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/what-did-we-learn-from-the-census/

Where is the evidence for this?

That would have been in the long and extensive court case. Tribunal tweets exist to follow it, so do the threads here, and the judgement itself evidences how it reached its conclusions.

@fourbedwinner There isn’t such a thing as a cis woman. Biological women are WOMEN. We are not a social construct, but one of the two sexes.

This makes perfect sense. Thank you for responding with kindness. The laughing emojis and such like to my posts are disappointing.

Besides which, we want privacy and dignity. I'm at no risk from my father-in-law or my brother but I wouldn't undress in front of either of them.

@DuesToTheDirt That's such a powerful statement, and a great riposte. It is so true and it's one I'm going to keep in my back pocket in case of need in the future.

Please explain how clarification in law that woman means biological sex, is 'deeply disappointing for equality and humans rights'. It's literal truth. Men of any identity are not women. Woman is a biological fact, it's not an identity.

No one has lost any rights because of this ruling. Women have gained clarity in law they we have the right to our word that defines us as a distinct group, and our single sex spaces. Some transpeople might lose some privileges to which they were never entitled and which they effectively stole from another opressed without asking, but enabling some to have privileges by taking rights from others isn't equality is it?

We are talking about the sex class that has collectively birthed every human who has ever lived. The ones who need pregnancy and maternity care. The ones who need legislation to protect us from being discriminated against because we are, or might become, pregnant. The only ones who are affected by attacks on abortion rights. The only ones who can become pregnant as a result of rape. The only ones who can die in childbirth. The only ones who go through the menopause. The ones who didn't have the right to vote in some people's living memory in parts of the European Union. The ones who suffer around 80% of all sexual assaults. The ones who are selectively aborted before birth in some cultures, and have their genitals multilated in others. The ones who aren't allowed to speak out loud or stand near windows in Afghanistan.

You don't think it might be even a teeny tiny bit useful to have a word for this group?

I think we need a word for female humans a lot more than we need a word for female sheep, but nobody questions the need for a word for female sheep.

And I don't believe including transwomen in safe spaces puts biological women at risk. Where is the evidence for this?

Where in the ever loving fuck have you been? Google Karen White, or Katie Dolatowski, or Isla Bryson, or Jessica Yaniv, or any number of other transwomen who harmed women in women's single sex spaces.

@fourbedwinner Does the inclusion of transwomen in women's rights discussions impact negatively on cis women? I'm unsure they do, but willing to consider others opinions on this.

Of course it does, because they are men. How about if I rephrase that - "Does the inclusion of men in women's rights discussions impact negatively on women?" Obviously, yes.

For goodness sake. Live and let live.

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

Males as a sex class present a risk to females. 99% of sex assaults are committed by males. 80% of violent crime (figs off top of my head but ONS has annual stats, i can find them later).

Males are as a.sex class larger, heavier, and stronger than females.

It doesn't matter how.a man 'identifies'. He remains male, in every cell, from conception til death (in fact his bones remain male and can be identified by analysis centuries later).

There is no evidence that indicates that a male person at any stage of transition in the UK has a risk lower that male people generally in the UK of committing a sex offence or violent crime. The evidence shows that the risk is retained at all stages of transition.

There are already cases of female people being harmed by the access of male people with transgender identities in single sex provisions. Including single sex spaces, sports and opportunities that should have given to female people, plus things such as allowing female people to have same sex care.

The basis of female people needing single sex spaces is based on sex. Not ‘gender’. Gender is only a philosophical belief as there is no biological basis for the claim, no matter how much pseudo scientific theory is applied.

If male people in general are excluded from any provision, so too should those with transgender identities.

Oh bless Walter you almost made it to funny.💅

And what about pronouns? Can they be kicked into next week too? Why do we need to justify our biology and who we have always been?