Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Hoo-bloody-ray! Common sense prevails at last! 👏

Sick of women being fucked over from a great height ALL THE TIME! And our wishes and fears and worries ignored! Feels like we're on the up again! Finally being listened to.

Can we stop all this 'people with breasts,' 'people with uteruses,' 'non-men,' 'people who menstruate,' and 'people with a vagina' twattery now?

Please? PRETTY PLEASE! 🙏

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So you can’t point out a single transphobic post, then?

I'm not sure the generalisation of "everyone knows it" is accurate.

The supreme court ruled that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act refer to a biological woman and biological sex. I agree that when it was published this is exactly what was meant by it. But haven't we progressed and evolved in the past 15 years?

If you can't provide evidence or back up what you claim then I'm not interested in engaging. It's clear you don't have an argument, so you resort to tossing the "transphobia" insult around. Yawn.

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We still need a word to describe adult human females

"...but doesn't this ruling suggest that transwomen are not actually women"

No, it doesn't "suggest", it outright openly states that transwomen are very definitely NOT women.

I also have to say, I don't think I have ever known of one single female to male transperson who demands to invade male private spaces, where they get naked/part naked, and may show intimate parts. Only male to female transgender people seem to demand to be in womens safe spaces.

Not all obviously, but if anyone transgender IS making unreasonable demands, it's ALWAYS male to female.

Don’t engage then. Fine by me!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia#:~:text=Transphobia%20consists%20of%20negative%20attitudes,combination%20of%20transphobia%20and%20racism.

@spannasaurus Why can't adult female human be enough?

The judgement explains all this quite clearly.

In terms of law, the word 'woman' is biological sex and that is the only way the law makes sense.

Will the T be removed from the alphabet soup now?

And why can't it stay as woman.

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Because we are women and men who wish they were women are just men who wish they were women?

Evolved into what? There are men and there are women and you are either one or the other.
Broadening the sex class of women to include men is regressive and misogynistic, it’s another example of men telling women to believe things that aren’t true because it benefits them. People can’t change sex, it’s immutable.

Just point the transphobic posts out…thats all they are asking for

they don’t need a definition they just want examples

which you seem to be unable to do

No, we’ve regressed @fourbedwinner Being a woman is to simply be female. Women can be masculine, they can have short hair, drive lorries, be scientists, or whatever. The only qualification to be a woman is to be born female.

Transwomen are, by definition, male. We’re not changing the definition of ‘woman’ (female sex) to ‘anyone who’s feminine’, as that’s regressive gender stereotypes.

As Germaine Greer said:

^"Female is real, and it's sex, and femininity is unreal, and it's gender.
For that to become the given identity of women is a profoundly disabling notion.”^

More than that, women are oppressed because of their sex, and the mechanism of that oppression is gender. For gender - the tool of our oppression - to become the definition of Woman is offensive.

There's a hint of TRA talking points that we seem to be circling here.

Is this a 'sex isn't necessarily binary' one?(it is both binary and immutable and DSD's are sex specific conditions to head that off).

Or is it people can self identify as a woman if that's how they feel (you do wonder why women who are being abused and subjugated by men don't simply identity as not one if that is the case?)

Or this just a 'why can't we all be kind?' situation?

I feel like you are skirting around the edges of this because you don't want the answer to be what the answer so obviously is, but you will get there in the end.

"Women" is a category word, which is used to describe a group of people consisting of roughly half the human population. "Men" is a category word, used to describe the other half.

The purpose of a category or a group is to unite all the people or things which belong together based on certain characteristics they share, and exclude all the people or things which do not share those characteristics.

"Women" has to mean the group of people who are united by the fact that they share the following three characteristics: adult, human and female.

There is nothing else it could possibly mean.

There are no characteristics that women share with trans women which we do not also share with men.

Being female is what distinguishes us specifically from men.

If you remove female from the definition, what is the difference between women and men?

It certainly has nothing to do with identity, because there is no identity that all women share.

And yes, it does need to be defined, because our access to certain spaces and services, as well as our need for certain rights, is based on it.

And no, it can't mean different things to different people, because in order to have rights attached to it, it needs to actually have an objective meaning which is understood in the same way by all people. It makes no sense to say your right to something is conditional upon being a woman, if you're then going to define a woman as anyone who says they are one. It is necessary for there to be some objective criteria, otherwise the word doesn't mean anything.

Nobody who can explain what they believe a woman is thinks a trans woman is one, and nobody who says trans women are women can explain what they believe a woman is.

It has to mean adult human female. There is nothing else it can possibly mean.

Many trans activists have tried to provide an alternative definition, and all of them have failed.

I’m starting to believe you are not posting here in good faith. We’re women and the other sex class is men, end of.

if they understood transphobia they can fine them for themselves. Such bigotry

Yeah…you have nothing

Such laziness

Nothing but wikipedia! 😂

T'aint terminology. It's sex. Bloke is a man is a chap is a transwoman. A fella by any other name will smell as sweet (or otherwise).

Whatever terminology anyone uses is irrelevant, as is 'gender' or 'how someone identifies'.