Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

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Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Women isn’t a social construct. Thats the point. Woman refers to adult female, an immutable fact.

To me, a transwoman is a woman, but not a female

Whats the difference between the two, in your view? Are you able to describe without using sexist stereotypes?

Most men don’t go about raping either Ange but they don’t get to go into women’s spaces either, no matter how they identify. Or won’t after today.

‘Generally’? How many women ‘generally ‘ being raped by TIM’s is acceptable to you? When you stand by and cheer lead for these men to have access to women only spaces and that thing that ‘never happens’ actually does happen, do you take any responsibility for that? I suppose you don’t care do you, as you indicated earlier, it’s all abstract to you isn’t it? You just want to be seen as progressive and cool.
I am rarely shocked these days by supporters of this men’s movement but you really are something else.

There’s 702 posts. Which ones do you mean?

I haven't noticed any transphobia, although I suppose transphobic posts would have been deleted. There is a lot of happiness and relief. To me it feels that there is, finally, hope that women's rights won't be permanently destroyed in order to appease the wants of some men.

Also @AngeDough MN doesn’t tolerate transphobia so if you see posts you think are transphobic the best thing to do is report them

Very good news indeed. Finally men will not be able to "identify" into women's spaces, sports and representation. I believe English football has said that transwomen can still compete provided they meet strict criteria but I suspect that in time that too will quietly be changed to exclude men who identify as women as it should.

Thank you for responding. So I believe gender is a social construct, that isn't defined by biological sex. Gender = social construct, sex = biological / scientific fact.

My DD does boxing at a decent level. You can imagine the relief I feel that she will be protected now from a man getting in the ring with her

‘The mistreatment of trans individuals in this country is deeply similar to the long-standing and ongoing mistreatment of Black women, women from ethnic minorities , and disabled women.’

All of the above are women apart from the trans individuals. Throwing around words like ‘middle class’ and ‘white supremacy’ won’t work. Try harder.

I'm admittedly middle class now but definitely grew up working class and am mixed race. I have never had a penis. I am a woman.

I really want trans people to feel safe and not be discriminated against but they can’t co-opt my sex to do that. Too many women have suffered and died to give me the many rights and safety I have today and it’s still not the same as men. I will not sit quietly and watch it all be rolled back.

TW are men, they are not in any way women or female.
There is no such thing as ‘cis’, women are not a subset of our own sex class.
Yes, including men when discussing the rights of women is absurd, because again, they are not women.

I agree too - but I also believe gender to be a load of abstract waffle that is, at best, synonym for ‘personality’ and has no place in a social system such as NHS wards, schools, prisons etc and especially shouldn’t trump sex.

What would you say makes up the gender “woman”. I’ve heard lots of theories but TBH they are all steeped in sexist stereotypes. I’m not traditionally feminine at all. I’m still a woman. My friend is a lesbian, she has never worn a scrap of make up, buys clothes fork the men’s section and has her hair cut by a barber. Shes still a woman. Subscribing to the idea of “gender” pigeon holes people into stereotypes that they don’t always fit in IMO

That evidence, you wouldn’t know it, it goes to another school.

A woman is not a "construct" a woman is a female, an adult human female to be exact, therefore a male human cannot be or become a women in any meaningful way. They may imagine they feel like a woman, they may choose to dress in a manner they feel presents as a women, they may even have surgeries and take female hormones. None of that makes them a woman.

These males are free to live in whatever way they wish, free to dress as they choose and go by whatever name they wish. Nobody is out to get them or stop them doing that. What they are not free to do is to enter and use women's single sex spaces, sports or representation because they are not actually women but men.

It does in fact suggest that trans women are not women. Because they're not, and everyone knows it.

And as far as the Equality Act is concerned, a woman is not a social construct but a biological sex class.

@fourbedwinner What one word would you use to describe an adult human female to distinguish them from someone with a woman gender

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Yes, absolutely understand your point, and I agree that being a woman isn't defined or measured according to someone's degree of femininity. So what is it defined by? And I'm
asking myself that question. Does it need to be defined or can it vary according to the individual? What makes me feel like a woman may not be the case for you, but it doesn't make either of us less of one.

I understand your response, but feel the reliance on terminology to exclude someone doesn't sit right with me.

What does this mean?

I don’t feel like a woman. I am one. My chromosomes tell me this, this is not something I can change.

Well, that’s correct, but the rest of what you implied isn’t. ‘Woman’ isn’t a gender word, which is what you’re implying. It’s the name to differentiate me (female) from my dog (also female). I’m a woman - a human female. Woman is a sex word.

Gender is, indeed, a social construct, and one that often has a negative effect on women in particular.

Oh now, don’t be coy.

You aren’t really this stupid, are you?

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

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