Supreme Court rules the term sex refers to 'biological women'

[everythingthelighttouches]

Finally.

There is no “triumph” for me.

i am delighted though.
I feel relief that this reasonable request for clarity has been heard.

The judge also said “the law still gives trans people protection against discrimination.”

As it should do. No one ever argued otherwise.

Aye we’ll just do that Ange 😂

@Lostcat

No, it does not force trans people to use third spaces. They can choose to use spaces which are correct for their biological sex.
It makes it clear however, that women’s spaces such as changing rooms, toilets are for biological women . It also makes it clear that lesbian women do not have to accept biological men into their spaces.__

That level of ignorance is actually terrifying. It's just completely making up "facts".

It's really not a conspiracy against you, no matter how hard you try to frame it as one. I've not 'hidden' or removed anything. I tried to focus on answering the questions you raised by bolding them, nothing more than that. Those following the thread can see all my posts and replies for full transparency, should they wish to. However I was replying to the questions you raised directly to me, as honestly as possible. But it seems you're still determined to pick a fight, so I'm going to strike it off as futile to continue. Quite a surreal experience to be honest. 'Reframing to be a hero'?! 😂 You're doing a good enough job of painting yourself as a pantomime villain without me needing to.

The part that winds me up the most is the accusations that’s this is the government swinging right…the Supreme Court has fuck all to do with the Labour government for a start. And calling a woman a woman is not a right wing move!

@mumsthewordi
There is not such a thing as a cis woman. It’s a WOMAN. There are also trans women of course, nobody is denying that.

Exactly. One thing that is central to the concept of biological sex, and by extension feminism, is that ALL women are female - all women, from everywhere in the world, every ethnicity, class, disability, religion, all women. I have more in common physiologically, genetically and in terms of "lived experience" of my own body, with every women on the planet than I do with any male.

It is not the gotcha these idiots think it is to make out that white, middle-class or western women are some kind of standard/platonic version of "woman" and other women are secondary or a subset that can be compared to trans-identifying males. It's mindbogglingly western-centric and racist.

It's funny how black or brown women are never given as the standard with white women being some kind of subset comparable to TW. Even though white women are actually the minority.

@Nameychangington 's point really hits the nail on the head.
"Transwomen go to the prison/ hospital ward /refuge for their sex, which is male. Just like the disabled, young, gay, old, weak and small men who also might feel or be unsafe in male spaces. Women aren't human shields for non macho blokes and our spaces aren't for men who for some reason aren't seen as manly enough for the men's provision."

It can't be too hard to grasp that:

• Progress does NOT mean eroding+denying protections rightly afforded to another group (biological women) fought long and hard for.
• Progress DOES mean separately finding ways of additionally protecting ALL TYPES of vulnerable males from dangerous/aggressive/intimidating males, too (and nurturing a society that no longer emboldens the the toxic behaviour/attitudes of the latter).

Oh dear, when you are up against people who believes that taking hormones over a number of years actually changes the genetic chromosomes in your cells then there is still a steep hill to climb.

Walking boots on!

Thanks sense and goodness for that

They mostly managed it pretty well in the past, before they got scared of the shouty people.

What happened in Fife?

Nobody ever stopped you calling yourself a woman.

@Lostcat
Are you saying that trans women cannot share space with other biological males but women should be forced to share their space with biological males who identify as women????

Did you not read above about the woman who was raped by a trans woman in a hospital ward with a penis and was gaslighted by the NHS and police to say it didn’t happen because there were “no men on the ward”? Thats why it matters

I think the short fife answer is that a nurse was suspended because she was uncomfortable with the transwomen doctor in the changing room. Now in tribunal.

Nobody stopped it, but one hell of a lot of people tried to redefine the term to make it include something else than adult human females.

Language matters. As we have seen today.

Hahaha. Sure

In a nutshell, a male doctor using female changing rooms. A nurse asked him to stop. He went running (literally) to the NHS bosses and they suspended the nurse for transphobia and some (quite transparently made up) nonsense about concerns for patient safety. The nurse (Sandie Peggie) took them to an Employment Tribunal and NHS Fife and Upton (the doctor) made themselves look utter lying fools, grandstanding and withholding documents they'd been asked to provide. They most recently had a foot stamping tantrum about the ET being subject to open justice and citizen journalism.

Still ongoing but today's judgement will undoubtedly impact it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy700zpgvr3o.amp

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5223082/nhs-fife-sandie-peggie-tribunal-supreme-court-ruling/

There's also a mega thread on here (currently 24 threads long) but I can't link for some reason.

@YourLoyalPlumOP here's a brief summary of the Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife case.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24933626.tribunal-transgender-doctor-right-use-female-changing-area/

I am very much looking forward to the next set of NASWUT (second largest teaching union) Women's lectures. Given that this year and many previously, they were exclusively for women and those who identify as women.

Except the people who called us menstruators, or ciswomen, or rights hoarding dinosaurs.

Who stopped you referring to yourself as a woman?

So nobody stopped her? Glad we agree.

Let's not forget everything they put us through.

I want to see loooots of lawsuits.