Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

[YourTidyScroller]

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

you said “working people would have the same costs associated”, if they did they could claim pip.

someone's mental health may never be cured, but pip may help support them back into the workplace.

Ive not heard of many people being cured of mental ill health, rather more likely to be correctly treated and managed.

Someone who is unemployed and fit to work is different to someone who is not fit to work, hence why they get different amounts of UC.

Well if you go by that logic, no benefit would have a fraud rate surely? UC is estimated to be at around 10.9%

Thats not from 10.9% of claimants saying “yep, I’m defrauding the system here guys”

@Mumble12 I did not say that. I said working people had costs associated with working.

Mental ill health can get better. My grandmother spent lots of time in her early life in a mental asylum, but in later life had good mental health.
Some mental ill health is life long and can only be managed.

I was replying to a comment. I did not bring up unemployed people.

So someone living with a life limiting condition has to live in poverty or “go out and work for it”?

Excellent

@YourTidyScroller - surely the real problem is greedy employers who don’t pay decent wages. Why is it OK for you to attack people suffering with mental health conditions, rather than the employers who aren’t paying enough?

How much, exactly, do you want people who are mentally ill to suffer - bearing in mind they are probably already suffering due to their mental health issues?

Sorry, you don’t get extra money just bcoz you are ill. It is ok if you were given carers which were paid for or CBT which was paid for but not just money for the sake of it.

Mental ill health which is severe enough to ensure you need PIP, does not cure itself without treatment.

You should write a book, you know more categories of people than I could dream
of. A grandparent in an asylum whose ill health cured itself, a parent faking mental illness to get ESA, three friends with poor mental health? All claiming PIP they are eligible for, but don’t need, as well as friends with physical disabilities who do deserve their PIP becuase they use it to pay for carers!

Is telling they specified people with MH conditions. Why not physical ones?

I’m honestly not as familiar as you with the benefits system to comment on that but I can tell you that it is a well known fact ( some commenters on here even admitted that they know people who do it) that there are people out there faking MH issues to get benefits

Don't rise to it @Happilyobtuse

It's an online forum, attacking people and forcing people to shared their disabilies.

I give no fucks. Hence @YourTidyScroller doesn't reply to me. Especially about the Daddy race! Hers was an arsehole. As was mine. Two different genres of arsehole.
But.. Op must have her reasons.
Surely?

Nobody post their most heartfelt troubles or reasons of claiming because they've been goaded in to it.

I give no fucks, my children are adults. Nobody can make me feel bad about my MH.

Don't feed...

Love you all

If we take anecdotes as “well known facts” we could prove anything we like.

You missed my last post. Can you break down how much each of your friends gets in benefits please?

You do get extra money for being ill.
If you have no experience with the benefits system then ssshhhhh.

Even if you get a personal budget from social care, you have to pay towards this from your PIP and other benefits

Yep. So you're already ill, whether physically or mentally or both, through no fault of your own, you should never have any treats, anything frivolous, anything that brings you a bit of happiness. This is the meanness of spirit I was talking about. And people who think that way ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Full disclosure: I am a full time working tax payer who claims no benefits whatsoever.

Sadly, they don't even want us to exist. They begrudge us the tiniest amount of money.

I have repeatedly said my friends are not faking it. Please stop making things up. They are too ill to work.
I have said many times I have had psychosis that is managed by medication. Mental illness tends to run in families, and people with mental illness liek myself who have used support groups, tend to know more people with serious mental illness. My dad was just an arsehole though.
You have made it clear you think I am a liar. I am not. I am just someone who lives outside of your middle class bubble.

Fuck me I quoted the wrong person there. @Coffeeishot

Ah, here are the illiterate Easter Holiday children.

Either way. I'm calling the thread a load of benefit bashing wank.

I just think from basic fairness and common sense you should never be better off on benefits than you are working. Someone’s total benefit package should always be capped at just below the rate of working FT at minimum wage.

Two thirds of responders to your poll agree, but the majority of posters are doing the usual aggressive, belittling, spiteful posts disagreeing and calling everyone who questions benefits a murdering fascist etc. Without the poll everyone would think that was the majority opinion. But it isn’t. People who want more and more benefits for more and more people in more and more circumstances are in the minority. Most people agree with a safety net for those who need it but that essentially people should be working as much as they can and that the staggering increase in people claiming benefits for MH problems especially is not supportable and many of those people can work (and in the past did work) and actually need to work because it will improve their MH if anything.

Honestly, if you are all over the Internet telling everyone they are arseholes for questioning benefits and in an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you and patting yourselves on the back for saying “but what about the MILLIONAIRES” you need to wake up.

So the most sick, disabled & vulnerable in society should have the lowest standard of living!?

You can say you think that is my attitude. But the facts I have posted are true.