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Cheesehound · 2025-04-13T07:30:04+00:00

Help me out Mumsnet hivemind, please. I don’t know what to do/think and what is unreasonable or not. I’m confused basically! Background - the Bride and I have been close friends for 15+ years. We now live miles apart and have very busy lives and kids etc but have remained close, messaging and calling regularly. She is like a sister to me. She was also one of my bridesmaids when I got married. Last year she asked me to be one of her bridesmaids for her upcoming wedding later this summer and I very happily accepted. I’ve been busy arranging the hen do with the other bridesmaids, who I have never met and live close to the Bride. Bride has been a little vague on wedding day arrangements but I understood it to be a ceremony with celebrant at a stately home followed by a reception after. Bride messaged me last week to say that she was having a legal ceremony followed by a meal the following day, which was attended by the other bridesmaids and their families, essentially meaning that she is now married and the wedding is now a party later this summer - albeit one where there is a celebrant, wedding and bridesmaid dresses, hair and makeup etc, the full deal that you’d expect of a wedding, except - she is already married…and I wasn’t there! The other bridesmaids didn’t mention it to me in our hen-do chat either. I’ve gone back through our wedding WhatsApp and there is a small mention of legal arrangements needing to be made - as in one single message about it, not an invite, just a statement of fact. I’ve been really preoccupied with personal stuff lately but was sure I hadn’t missed anything and I haven’t. I haven’t felt able to say anything as I don’t want to spoil this time for her but AIBU to feel hurt and disappointed that I wasn’t there? I’m paying £ towards a hen-do and the expectation was for my family (DH and 3 young DC) and I to go to the wedding later this year. I could have gone down by myself to be there. My DH is angry on my behalf and is really not keen about going to the ‘wedding’ as it will be £ and was going to be a bit of a trek with our kids anyway but he was looking forward to it and now it’s well, feeling a bit flat. What would you do? Would you say anything? AIBU? I don’t want to spoil our friendship but what friendship?!

HuffleMyPuffle · 14/04/2025 01:04

Shelby2010 · 14/04/2025 00:25

Are people really that blasé about their weddings that they don’t notice if they are legal or not? How do they manage in the rest of their lives? I expect they fall for a lot of scams.

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Considering there was/maybe still is a very big issue where "marriages" conducted in a certain religious building were not being followed up by legal marriages but the wives weren't being informed that they weren't legally married so that the men could control them and make them think they could not leave without the shame of divorce...

I find this comment pretty distasteful tbh

Fannybycandlelight · 14/04/2025 01:08

RawBloomers · 14/04/2025 00:52

People who get annoyed at the separation between legally and socially/religiously marrying have perhaps not realised that the UK has treated most non-CofE religions differently around marriage ceremonies for years, requiring them to split the two aspects. It's nasty and intolerant to sneer at people for not following a CofE style approach to wedding arrangements when the law has discriminated against alternative approaches for generations.

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This is the law in this country as the Head of State is also the Head of the Church of England, and has been since Henry VIII.

Those that don't like it can campaign to abolish the monarchy but I am not sure that would help the situation

France has a republic but civil marriage is legally required, religious ceremonies can be held separately, with the most common being Catholic or Protestant. You can have a Catholic or Protestant wedding after completing the legal civil ceremony at the town hall.

In Spain a Catholic wedding is the only religious Christian ceremony that is considered legal. A Protestant wedding is not considered legal but it's an option if you want to have a solemn ceremony where your union can be blessed.

I think you will find most EU countries operate in a similar way.

SwingasanPsychologist · 14/04/2025 02:55

Since Covid, it's been a lot more common for people to have a civil ceremony first and then a wedding ceremony later. Maybe they wanted to buy a house together next month and wanted to be legally married before that. I would assume the wedding ceremony is more important to the bride than the civil ceremony, that's the "big day", the one with the dress and photographers, and that's why you're invited to make the trip.

EatingHealthy · 14/04/2025 03:38

Did the bridesmaids' families all go to the ceremony or just for the meal after?

Yabu. However you feel about people doing the legal bit separately to the big celebration it's accepted practice nowadays for lots of reasons.

She did the legal bit with a few witnesses and then had a casual meal with them and their families since they were all together anyway.

The reality is you're feeling hurt because you feel like the bride has told you she isn't as close to you as she is to her other friends. That may or may not be true (it may just be that she wanted to keep it low key and since they're closer geographically that was the easier thing to do), but either way it's time to grow up and deal with it. Some friends we're closer to, some times who that is fluctuates over time, she obviously still values your friendship otherwise she wouldn't have asked you to be bridesmaid. You're making this into a much bigger deal than it is. The important occasion for her - the one where they celebrate their commitment to each other - is the one you're going to, this was just dealing with legalities.

George1584 · 14/04/2025 06:19

RawBloomers · 14/04/2025 00:52

People who get annoyed at the separation between legally and socially/religiously marrying have perhaps not realised that the UK has treated most non-CofE religions differently around marriage ceremonies for years, requiring them to split the two aspects. It's nasty and intolerant to sneer at people for not following a CofE style approach to wedding arrangements when the law has discriminated against alternative approaches for generations.

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Not UK... England and Wales.

Sounds like England needs to catch up with the beliefs of it's citizens. Can only have registrar ( with only legal vows) or C of E, Quaker or Jewish ceremony (last census tells us few people are these religions).

Most people want to have a personalised celebration or maybe different religious ceremony so what option has the English law given them but to have "sham" wedding days and enactments as any posters have described people's thoughtfully planned celebrations here?

TwinklyNavyPoster · 14/04/2025 06:22

It wasn't a secret, we told some guests but we didn't make a big announcement to all guests to say we'd already signed the legal documents as it really didn't seem necessary. For all intents and purposes, and to us, our wedding day was the day we had our celebrant service. We had no service, guests or formalities on the day we signed the marriage certificate. I wore jeans, we didn't exchange rings or vows and quite frankly, it wasn't special! Our wedding day (which was one week later) on the other hand was special. It's really not fraud, chill your beans 🤣

Worklifewhat · 14/04/2025 06:45

I wouldn’t be bothered about it. My sister did the same 2 ceremony thing and to her the legal bit was just that, the necessary legal bit. In their heads the actual wedding was the celebrant service. She didn’t bother inviting many people for the legal service because it wasn’t the important bit for them and similarly your friend maybe didn’t feel you needed to travel for something that was just a formality to them.
I’d talk to your friend so she understands that you feel sad about it but make the most of the hen do and celebrant ceremony with her. Not worth losing sleep or a friendship about in my eyes.
Good luck!

Dustyyy · 14/04/2025 06:46

YABU and overreacting (imo). When you are calmer just ask her why she didn’t invite you, if you must.

UndermyShoeJoe · 14/04/2025 06:48

I don’t mind a legal wedding followed by a party.

I don’t like a fake wedding sold as the actual wedding.

Anywhere here the bridesmaids all went bar the op that’s just shitty why invite onto be a bridesmaid then not actually have her involved in the day with other bridesmaids.

Coffeeismybestfriend · 14/04/2025 06:55

When me and DH got married, we had a ‘normal’ wedding day with a celebrant, 150 guests, big celebration etc then had a legal ceremony about a month after - it was us, one groomsman and his partner plus our two youngest DC’s. We didn’t overthink it, we didn’t even consider inviting the other groomsmen or bridesmaids because this part to us wasn’t the wedding, just the legal part that we couldn’t do on the day.

I completely understand how you’re feeling and why you’re feeling this way, but try not to overthink it, sounds like they just had their two witnesses plus a groomsman/best man. I’d ignore the fact that their children were invited. Try to forget this and enjoy the hen do and wedding as if this legal ceremony hadn’t happened x

pelargoniums · 14/04/2025 07:04

EatingHealthy · 14/04/2025 03:38

Did the bridesmaids' families all go to the ceremony or just for the meal after?

Yabu. However you feel about people doing the legal bit separately to the big celebration it's accepted practice nowadays for lots of reasons.

She did the legal bit with a few witnesses and then had a casual meal with them and their families since they were all together anyway.

The reality is you're feeling hurt because you feel like the bride has told you she isn't as close to you as she is to her other friends. That may or may not be true (it may just be that she wanted to keep it low key and since they're closer geographically that was the easier thing to do), but either way it's time to grow up and deal with it. Some friends we're closer to, some times who that is fluctuates over time, she obviously still values your friendship otherwise she wouldn't have asked you to be bridesmaid. You're making this into a much bigger deal than it is. The important occasion for her - the one where they celebrate their commitment to each other - is the one you're going to, this was just dealing with legalities.

Came here to say exactly this! The bride has just sorted some admin in advance of her big wedding this summer. J-Lo and Ben Affleck did the same thing!

RawBloomers · 14/04/2025 07:09

George1584 · 14/04/2025 06:19

Not UK... England and Wales.

Sounds like England needs to catch up with the beliefs of it's citizens. Can only have registrar ( with only legal vows) or C of E, Quaker or Jewish ceremony (last census tells us few people are these religions).

Most people want to have a personalised celebration or maybe different religious ceremony so what option has the English law given them but to have "sham" wedding days and enactments as any posters have described people's thoughtfully planned celebrations here?

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Sorry, yes. That was poor of me. Scotland and Northern Ireland do not have the same discriminatory and out of touch laws.

(Though, from what I’ve read, Scotland is not fantastic about secular weddings, requiring celebrations/officiants to subscribe to a belief system of sorts, even if it doesn’t have to be theist.)

Hillarious · 14/04/2025 07:14

Cheesehound · 13/04/2025 08:47

@Hillarious - No, not family, just local friends and their partners and kids.

“Local” is the key word here. Obviously kept low key before the main event.

RawBloomers · 14/04/2025 07:19

Fannybycandlelight · 14/04/2025 01:08

This is the law in this country as the Head of State is also the Head of the Church of England, and has been since Henry VIII.

Those that don't like it can campaign to abolish the monarchy but I am not sure that would help the situation

France has a republic but civil marriage is legally required, religious ceremonies can be held separately, with the most common being Catholic or Protestant. You can have a Catholic or Protestant wedding after completing the legal civil ceremony at the town hall.

In Spain a Catholic wedding is the only religious Christian ceremony that is considered legal. A Protestant wedding is not considered legal but it's an option if you want to have a solemn ceremony where your union can be blessed.

I think you will find most EU countries operate in a similar way.

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That it is the law doesn’t mean that sneering at people who have to separate their legal and religious ceremonies because of that law is in any way justified.

That’s just bigotry.

TheHerboriste · 14/04/2025 07:19

Worklifewhat · 14/04/2025 06:45

I wouldn’t be bothered about it. My sister did the same 2 ceremony thing and to her the legal bit was just that, the necessary legal bit. In their heads the actual wedding was the celebrant service. She didn’t bother inviting many people for the legal service because it wasn’t the important bit for them and similarly your friend maybe didn’t feel you needed to travel for something that was just a formality to them.
I’d talk to your friend so she understands that you feel sad about it but make the most of the hen do and celebrant ceremony with her. Not worth losing sleep or a friendship about in my eyes.
Good luck!

Between the”legal bit” and the “ceremony” did they intend to not avail themselves of their status as married?

Silverstars21 · 14/04/2025 07:29

I thought the whole point about a wedding was every guest witnessing the bride & groom getting married with the celebrations afterwards an add on to celebrate the event. Personally if I didn't witness the couple actually getting married I wouldn't feel I had attended a wedding. There is something very special & even emotional especially for close family & friends in witnessing & hearing a couple repeating their vows etc.

In OPs friends main wedding party later do the couple go through another ceremony repeating the same vows as they did in the legal ceremony. All very confusing.

TheHerboriste · 14/04/2025 07:31

Silverstars21 · 14/04/2025 07:29

I thought the whole point about a wedding was every guest witnessing the bride & groom getting married with the celebrations afterwards an add on to celebrate the event. Personally if I didn't witness the couple actually getting married I wouldn't feel I had attended a wedding. There is something very special & even emotional especially for close family & friends in witnessing & hearing a couple repeating their vows etc.

In OPs friends main wedding party later do the couple go through another ceremony repeating the same vows as they did in the legal ceremony. All very confusing.

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Agree.

People who lie to their guests are reprehensible.

Mirandawrongs · 14/04/2025 07:38

She doesn’t think as much of you as you do of her.
stop arranging the hen do. You can’t have a hen do after you’re married.
this will be a night out with (apparently) strangers.
sorry op

Silverstars21 · 14/04/2025 07:39

TheHerboriste · 14/04/2025 07:31

Agree.

People who lie to their guests are reprehensible.

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I agree. Although I'm all about harmony I think OP has every right to be hurt & a bit annoyed at not finding out the situation until after the marriage. She should at the very least have been given the opportunity to attend, especially given she is one of the bridesmaids.

SwanOfThoseThings · 14/04/2025 07:40

GirlWhatHaveYouDoneYoureAPinkPonyGirl · 13/04/2025 14:12

Totally normal to separate legals these days, weddings have changed a lot in the past 5 years, the legal transaction is a digital certificate, 52 word exchange and no rings or vows required.
This is my industry and you need to stop viewing the legal transaction as the ‘wedding’ . view it like they are, like doing the legal transaction to get a birth certificate and then having the christening/naming afterwards. Nobody says the birth certificate but was the ‘official naming’ do they?

I don't understand why it has become 'totally normal' to do this.

I can see it if you are of a religious faith which has a marriage ceremony that isn't legally valid in the UK or wherever you live - you have no choice but to have a separate civil ceremony, and the religious ceremony is what will 'count' for everyone as the couple being married in the eyes of God.

But if your traditional faith ceremony is legally valid, as Christian church weddings are in the UK, or if your separation of legal and 'celebration' has nothing to do with religion, I can't understand why anyone would want to do this.

RawBloomers · 14/04/2025 07:41

Silverstars21 · 14/04/2025 07:29

I thought the whole point about a wedding was every guest witnessing the bride & groom getting married with the celebrations afterwards an add on to celebrate the event. Personally if I didn't witness the couple actually getting married I wouldn't feel I had attended a wedding. There is something very special & even emotional especially for close family & friends in witnessing & hearing a couple repeating their vows etc.

In OPs friends main wedding party later do the couple go through another ceremony repeating the same vows as they did in the legal ceremony. All very confusing.

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So you would go to a Catholic wedding but claim you hadn’t seen the couple get married?

Summerlovin24 · 14/04/2025 07:42

YANBU
It's irrelevant what was the legal bit and what wasn't
You weren't in the chosen few to attend and I would be hurt.
I would be tempted not to go to the party and hen but would mull over it and would probably go. Maybe go to wedding party by yourself to avoid dragging kids there as your husband doesnt sound keen anyway
. However whatever you decide you know where you are on the friendship scale with her now. Leave her to make effort when she wants to see you next and only see her when it suits you and you have the £

LillyPJ · 14/04/2025 07:42

It just shows how daft the whole marriage/wedding business has become. All this fuss, anxiety and expense is ridiculous.

AprilBunny · 14/04/2025 07:48

You are still her very good friend but you aren’t in her top two (neither were her parents or siblings). Not everyone can be everyone’s best friend.

SwanOfThoseThings · 14/04/2025 07:49

Shelby2010 · 14/04/2025 00:12

Quick question…

How do people see Renewal of Vows?

Being a non-legal celebration of being married, are these on the same level as a non-legal wedding? Would you, as a guest, feel the same level of commitment to spend money booking hotels & getting dressed up as you would for the original wedding?

I see them as pointless - when people make their wedding vows, they don't have an expiry date. If they have broken their vows, that doesn't seem like a thing to be celebrated with a 'renewal' - it's a thing to reflect on privately. I certainly wouldn't view a 'vow renewal' in the same light as a wedding and travel miles to attend one in a specially-bought outfit.

People who want to 're-celebrate' their wedding are better off having a wedding anniversary party. I suppose nowadays in this era of instant gratification people don't want to wait for 25 years and their Silver Wedding, but they could have a 10 year anniversary party, for example.