Page 6 | Poor Prison officers having to deal with this today.

PassingStranger · 2025-04-12T18:53:28+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo]] Disgusting, poor prison officers. What to do with scum like this? As if it wasn't bad enough about the bombing he planned, he now wants to attack staff? Do we need him?

Menopausalsourpuss · 13/04/2025 20:04

It is worse than that his brother claimed asylum - he was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy and if it wasn't for them would not have been in the country. This article from 2018 says uk requested this gu y who did the attack was extradited to stand trial so guess that happened. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy

wizzywig · 13/04/2025 20:15

Walkden · 13/04/2025 07:39

"This prison needs its management sacked, They are the ones responsible, their job is to manage violent offenders, not give them knives and cooking oil"

Trouble is like most public services "efficiency savings" means they are run on a shoe string these days, often with overworked and inexperienced staff. You see this happening all the time.

Prison service lack of officers ,stab vests etc, inadequate supervision.

Probation service people released who shouldn't be

Social services - families / children being harmed.

Then eventually they'll be a review looking at the situation in depth taking all the time in the world to do so listing the mistakes made and adding even more procedures to follow

Probation do not release the person from prison, the sentence is determined by the courts.

Wonderberry · 13/04/2025 20:44

Sadly another example of Islamist extremism and the threat this poses to the UK. Even in prison he cannot be controlled.

StripyPanda · 13/04/2025 20:53

Jelliots · 13/04/2025 18:41

This twat just needs putting down. We wouldn’t tolerate it from a dog and this cunt is a much lesser life form

exactly dangerous dogs are given a chance and if they step out of line… off to doggy heaven they go…i’m not saying we should treat humans the same (1 strike and your out) but why do we allow dangerous people to reoffend over and over again until they eventually end up in prison for life… some people do not want to be rehabilitated… foreign prisons are far more of a deterrent than UK ones because we pander around criminals far too much

ShowDownTime · 14/04/2025 12:33

And to think the Royal Navy brought this scum to our country. Bleeding heart lefties have nothing to say when the people they are “saving” turn out to want to destroy us, do they? I can’t believe (well I can) that a poster called this thread out for racism! That’s exactly the mentality that will ruin this country.

Whatevernext9 · 14/04/2025 21:22

PonyPatter44 · 12/04/2025 20:11

Unfortunately, he isn't serving a whole life sentence, so we have to try and rehabilitate him. I think we'd have more success teaching my cat to recite rhyming couplets in Swahili, but its what we have to do, because one day the piece of shit will come out of prison and no doubt hurt someone else. I'd still chop his hands off. Those poor officers.

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I mean, yes, if he lives to 88 years old he can apply for parole but I don’t think we need to worry to much about that possibility.

And people on WLOs also can have access to rehabilitative work (whatever that means) because ECHR requires there to be a possibility - however remote - of change.

Baffled that this particular man had access to oil and enough time to fashion weapons from oven trays, without anyone noticing they weren’t in the kitchen area.

Whatevernext9 · 14/04/2025 21:23

ShowDownTime · 14/04/2025 12:33

And to think the Royal Navy brought this scum to our country. Bleeding heart lefties have nothing to say when the people they are “saving” turn out to want to destroy us, do they? I can’t believe (well I can) that a poster called this thread out for racism! That’s exactly the mentality that will ruin this country.

Regardless, he was born here. It’s not as simple as ‘the Navy brought him here’.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/02/how-family-libya-conflict-radicalised-manchester-arena-bomber

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PassingStranger · 14/04/2025 21:24

EmeraldRoulette · 12/04/2025 22:13

I am also baffled he had access to boiling oil

does anyone know if that's normal, like access to a kitchen, or did he have to go out of the way to plan it?

Not boiling oil
He stored butter sachets which he heated up.

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Whatevernext9 · 14/04/2025 21:29

PassingStranger · 14/04/2025 21:24

Not boiling oil
He stored butter sachets which he heated up.

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If this is correct (not saying I disbelieve you) then there’s questions about how all of it is being reporterd surely?

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PassingStranger · 14/04/2025 21:33

BlondiePortz · 13/04/2025 01:19

Is that a genuine question you expect answered?

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Yes because I couldn't see the point in life behaving like that, being banged up forever, wanting to kill everyone and having so.much hate inside me.
What does he get out of being alive everyday, and being hated.

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Whatevernext9 · 14/04/2025 21:51

JudgeMenthol · 13/04/2025 18:40

You're right - The Prison Service not helping itself again.
Some Prisons now are smoke free, perhaps that should be the case for all, although I'm sure someone would challenge that as being against their human rights, and use Legal Aid to do so.

Going on what @CountryQueen has posted, making cooking facilities a available in areas where prisoners are separated for a reason seems to be pandering to prisoners.
I had previously requested additional staff for a specific duty, citing possible repercussions, to be told "we don't work on 'what ifs' "... staffing levels are woefully inadequate.

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AFAIK all prisons are smoke free. Cooking facilities in dispersals and high security have been in place for a long time with very few incidents. People value the access and generally don’t want to lose it.

Glass bottles and tins available on canteen were a problem but I think the former at least has been removed.

From memory, the separation unit at Frankland was empty for some time (which is weird because there were plenty of suitable candidates). I’m surprised there was access to oil and that cooking trays (allegedly the origin of the weapons) weren’t counted back in. Maybe the unit wasn’t staffed properly.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/04/2025 22:09

Waste of oxygen.

Paul2023 · 15/04/2025 22:28

PonyPatter44 · 12/04/2025 21:14

I think the only realistic outcome is that high-security prisoners are no longer allowed to cook their own food. That won't go down well, but i don't see what else can be done to reduce risk.

Yes the prison officers union have said that. Can’t see much else changing.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 15/04/2025 22:32

Paul2023 · 15/04/2025 22:28

Yes the prison officers union have said that. Can’t see much else changing.

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I’d just give him cold food and drink and make him eat with his fingers.

Audiprettier · 15/04/2025 23:11

JudgeMenthol · 13/04/2025 08:41

Having spent 30yrs as a female prison officer in male Prisons, it is likely sugar and boiling water was used.
Cutlery is plastic, but can be melted down by using a cigarette lighter, and melting the handle to a point.
Prisoners are allowed a razor blade, and the blade can also be melted into the handle of cutlery.
The kettle is an issue. In a similar setting tea in a big urn was accessible at certain times during the day, and prisoners would be allowed to get a cup of tea one at a time, supervised by 3 staff. That might sound old fashioned, but it saves staff being covered in boiling sugar and water.

Someone up thread mentioned that staff years ago were recruited from the military, who had life experience.. but now there is no common sense, no people skills, and an increasing number of female staff are becoming intimately involved with prisoners.
I enjoyed my job, and worked with some amazing staff, but I certainly wouldn't want to be doing that job today. Minimum staffing levels, a lack of common sense recruiting, and running a prison on a shoestring budget is just a recipe for disaster.

Apparently it was hot oil (not sugar!) & the weapon was "fashioned" out of a tray!
Why should we pay for this piece of scum to even set foot in this country, never mind room, board & putting prison officers in such terrifying racist danger!
He needs to be extinquished, & permanently!
Not mollycoddled as he obviously was...
There is no deterrent atm, and there has to be to try & stop all this savagery!

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 16/04/2025 00:13

PonyPatter44 · 12/04/2025 20:11

Unfortunately, he isn't serving a whole life sentence, so we have to try and rehabilitate him. I think we'd have more success teaching my cat to recite rhyming couplets in Swahili, but its what we have to do, because one day the piece of shit will come out of prison and no doubt hurt someone else. I'd still chop his hands off. Those poor officers.

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He got a minimum 55 years. He got 3? Years for his last attack, he's going to get 5/10 for this one.

So he's going to be over 80 before he's even eligible. He's not getting out, he will be dead before then, lifers don't live ling lives generally speaking.

CountryQueen · 16/04/2025 01:25

Audiprettier · 15/04/2025 23:11

Apparently it was hot oil (not sugar!) & the weapon was "fashioned" out of a tray!
Why should we pay for this piece of scum to even set foot in this country, never mind room, board & putting prison officers in such terrifying racist danger!
He needs to be extinquished, & permanently!
Not mollycoddled as he obviously was...
There is no deterrent atm, and there has to be to try & stop all this savagery!

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Why are you directing your exclamations ?!?! at an officer who has served decades in the job? Sugar is the usual thing to fear when having hot liquid thrown at you in prison.

You clearly don’t know anything about how inmates spend their time “fashioning” weapons out of the most mundane objects. Lucky you

Sameoldsameoldsame · 16/04/2025 08:07

Victims of this piece of scum excuse for a human are disgusted that he has access to a kitchen and the means to make weapons. Solitary confinement, no access to anything remotely weapon like.

Stab proof vests for prison guards. Immediately.

Sameoldsameoldsame · 16/04/2025 08:10

Menopausalsourpuss · 13/04/2025 20:04

It is worse than that his brother claimed asylum - he was actually "rescued" from Libya by the Royal Navy and if it wasn't for them would not have been in the country. This article from 2018 says uk requested this gu y who did the attack was extradited to stand trial so guess that happened. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/manchester-arena-bomber-was-rescued-from-libya-by-royal-navy

Saved from his country and then this is how he treats people. He's an animal. You cannot deradicalise animals like him. He hates the west. Shouldn't have rescued him.