Poor Prison officers having to deal with this today.

[PassingStranger]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz95kggw7nxo

Disgusting, poor prison officers.

What to do with scum like this?

As if it wasn't bad enough about the bombing he planned, he now wants to attack staff?
Do we need him?

I’d happily pay for him to be sent to CECOT in El Salvador. Death is too light a sentence.

Put him down I say. Death penalty should come back for people like him. He will never be reformed therefore we are just paying a huge bill for his pleasure - country is in deficit:

What is the cost of keeping a prisoner in the UK? The average annual cost of keeping one person in prison in the UK stands at approximately £44,640 per year (2023/24 figures), which translates to roughly £855 per week or £122 per day.19 Sept 2024

He already is and worse

Why on earth are very high risk prisoners given their own cooking facilities? That surely fails the most basic risk assessment. The prison management are also at fault here - this was a predictable incident given his record - which should be increased to a whole life tariff - sentences for violent and sexual crimes are far too short.

Their family is just as bad and they should’ve been deported:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/02/how-family-libya-conflict-radicalised-manchester-arena-bomber

@MissAmbrosia the use of the word racist is incredibly ironic, considering his crime

When i was in prison 30 odd years ago, it was almost entirely ex military personell running the place. They were firm, but fair on the whole, but had a wealth of life experience. Knowing how to diffuse a situation with words, is worth more than all the battons, and control and restraint techniques.

‘Dog-whistle racist’ is such an over-used term on here, usually by posters who think they’re clever and better than everyone else. People are allowed to express an opinion.

Agreed. Sounds utterly dire.

The issue with just a bed and a toilet is that it leads to unrest - which makes things even worse. People need a certain amount of enrichment to stay sane. Sane prisoners are obviously easier to managed than caged up ones. The problem is where you give allowances you create an opportunity for those ready to abuse it.

My thoughts are with those officers.

Some people you can’t rehabilitate. I don’t say this lightly but lethal injection/hanging is the only option.

I think it made the news as it’s his second attack, he seriously harmed 3 prison officers and he’s already high profile due to his brother attacking a venue filled with teenagers. You are making this about colour when it’s not.

Agree. They don’t happen to this degree and with this extent of damage “all the time” our prisons simply wouldn’t be staffed if they did - they don’t have an abundance of staff as it is. Nevermind if attacks like these were as common place as the poster suggest - it would be a logistical nightmare filling that rota.

Well, generally prisoners are nasty bastards or they wouldn't be in prison. Yes, there are those at the tail end of the bell-curve who are innocent, or have stolen a loaf of bread to feed their family (looking at you, 24601!).
Not difficult to understand.
And it's easy to make weapons in prison. Watch a couple of documentaries and your eyes will be opened. Sugar and boiling water made using their cell kettles is particularly effective.

Give over, 3 staff hospitalised and at least one with life threatening injuries. Of course it's noteworthy.

There's nothing racist about this at all and it would be reported in exactly the same way if it was a notorious white prisoner

He’s not going to be popular with the other nasty bastards when they take their privileges away and go all Hannibal Lecter with their security.
Prison officers need to be paid more. A very good example of a job that’s treated as low skilled so is low paid but the reality of the job makes it so unpalatable we are having to recruit from abroad with all the problems that brings.

"This prison needs its management sacked, They are the ones responsible, their job is to manage violent offenders, not give them knives and cooking oil"

Trouble is like most public services "efficiency savings" means they are run on a shoe string these days, often with overworked and inexperienced staff. You see this happening all the time.

Prison service lack of officers ,stab vests etc, inadequate supervision.

Probation service people released who shouldn't be

Social services - families / children being harmed.

Then eventually they'll be a review looking at the situation in depth taking all the time in the world to do so listing the mistakes made and adding even more procedures to follow

@Walkden

Exactly, all these services are being slowly eroded to the extent they can’t function.

So they can use it to harm another police officer?

Exactly @MissAmbrosia would be grateful if you could educate us by advising why you feel talking about this incident is racist?

So many questions.

Irregardless if it was cooking oil or boiling water with sugar, why do violent thugs like him have a kettle in their cell in the first place?

They should just have access to water.

Nobody should have a right to coffee/tea if they're likely to abuse the kettle as a weapon.

Yes a strange take from the pp. Poor people don’t deserve this to be hidden because of the perpetrator.

My teen who struggles with their MH, and has had some horrific meltdowns, isn't allowed near boiling water or hot oil. So I don't think a psychopath like him should ever be in the kitchen.

Those poor prison officers. It's such a thankless, invisible role. Essentially another emergency service but it's hidden away from the public unlike the police, RNLI, fire etc.

Hats off to anyone who does that job. Imagine being locked in with the scum of the earth.

I don’t think he’ll come out. At least 55 years of a sentence, and this is his second attack on officers.

He’s beyond rehabilitation.

must be awful for the officers having to deal with someone so evil and soulless.

Normally I’d agree with you. There can be a bias in newspaper reporting. In this case two of the three prison officers have life threatening injuries. No, that doesn’t happen all the time.